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taking a shot at the $50 MTT...please comment on my line...
preflop bet okay or too small? (7 people calling 7X OMG!) flop check in 7 way pot? turn raise a good size? (love the $80 lead into $860 pot) check call river an okay line? I though players would be a little better at $50 but wow!!?? Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t10/t20 9 players Stack sizes: UTG: t520 UTG+1: t3410 MP1: t4800 MP2: t4140 MP3: t2970 Hero: t2950 Button: t2050 SB: t3200 BB: t2930 Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG calls t20 UTG+1 calls t20 MP1 calls t20 2 folds Hero raises to t140 Button calls t140 SB calls t130 BB folds UTG calls t120 UTG+1 calls t120 MP1 calls t120 Flop: (t860) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players) SB checks UTG checks UTG+1 checks MP1 checks Hero checks Button checks. Turn: (t860) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players) SB bets t80 UTG folds UTG+1 calls t80 MP1 calls t80 Hero raises to t500 Button calls t500 3 folds River: (t2100) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players) Hero checks Button bets t820 Hero calls t820 Final pot: t3740 |
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wow. that's exactly what you don't want pre with JJ... a party pot. And you raised it 7x BB so wtf? I agree with the way you played this hand... i would have played it probably very similarly. It's good you didn't get too cute on the turn, I like the big raise... the club is unfortuanate, the C/C isn't a bad play... maybe that's why he was betting b/c you looked weak?
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I hate the PF raise. there's nothing wrong with limping JJ... or even raise to 40. You don't want to play a big pot with it unless you hit a set and your overbet pre makes it big.
This type of play will leave you with some tough decisions for lotsa chips when you have one pair with overs on board. Edit: forgot about the rest of the hand. Your turn raise was too small. The J isn't likely a scary card for your opponent, so raise full pot to make him pay to draw. Check-calling his river minibet is fine. |
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I actually raise more pre.Yeah,I know 7x should be enough,but at this stage,w 3 limpers and blinds supersmall,you are going to get called superlight.On the other hand,I make it 200 and they'll prob call anyway so whatever...
I might bet more on the turn as well,pot is huge already,let them pay for a draw. Having said all that,I'm pretty sure he's got the flush here,and that might affect my thinking re this hand,you probably played it fine. River is a call I guess,the hand is so weird villain might have a lower set,but ya,I'm shocked if he has anything but a flush here. Oh,btw,I never limp w JJ but I guess it is an option here |
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I make it 160 pre. I make it 600 on the turn. Otherwise looks good.
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I make it 160 pre. I make it 600 on the turn. Otherwise looks good. [/ QUOTE ] Edit: and making it t40 - t80 pf is really bad imo. |
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I hate the PF raise. there's nothing wrong with limping JJ... or even raise to 40. You don't want to play a big pot with it unless you hit a set and your overbet pre makes it big. This type of play will leave you with some tough decisions for lotsa chips when you have one pair with overs on board. Edit: forgot about the rest of the hand. Your turn raise was too small. The J isn't likely a scary card for your opponent, so raise full pot to make him pay to draw. Check-calling his river minibet is fine. [/ QUOTE ] Brandi..for Barry's sake I will ignore the suggestion that I raise to 40...will send him into convulsions if I do that...I agree limping is okay but why would I not raise here? If anything my raise was too low...Also I am in the CO and will have good position so I could play a slightly bigger pot...also since I have not played the $50 much I didn not anticipate 7 callers to a 7X raise (is this normal???)...I think I need to raise here to narrow the field and also to snag the button (that part didnt work). I think the flop is standard and I guess I could have bumped a little higher on turn... |
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NH I like it all
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I think a raise to 60 or 80 leaves you room to call a reraise. The hands where you win big pots with JJ are when you have a set (esp vs an overpair). If you raise to 140 and someone has a bigger pair, they'd be a fool to not reraise and you wouldn't have the implied odds to try to hit a set.
When you raise and get called you'll see overcards on the flop most of the time (~60% iirc). While I am not afraid to play a big pot with JJ and overs on board, I don't try to create the situation. |
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I hate the PF raise. there's nothing wrong with limping JJ... or even raise to 40. You don't want to play a big pot with it unless you hit a set and your overbet pre makes it big. [/ QUOTE ] I hate this advice. If you're going to come into the pot come in raising. Limping is bad, min-raising PRF here is horrid. Your raise is fine and your play is fine. The only thing I might do different is bet 600 on the turn, but that's symantics. If you're feeling frisky, c-bet the flop after the table checked it around. Edit: just read the rest. I'll explain. Eveyone gets odds to call with any hand if you min raise. Limping? just think it's the best way to go bust when another limpers hits a big hidden hand with junk because it's an unrasied pot. I hate unraised pot's when I'm not the guy that got lucky. 140 is becasue there's 2 limpers and 5 x the bb. It's fine. |
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