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10/20, fullring. CO limps pre, SB follows, I check my option with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB is tsarrast, a TAG regular type guy, we don't have much history that I recall. CO is a semiloose-passive regular. Eff stacks $3500.
Flop 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB pots to $60, I call, CO folds. Turn Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB pots $180, I call again, because I like my implieds, and I've got plenty of bluff cards. River A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. He leads $475 into $540, I raise to $1275. He times down and makes it $2440. On one hand, I can't think of many hands that he could have with two spades, given his flop pot and the fact that I have the 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. But making thousand-dollar reads based on sixty dollar flop bets is certainly not foolproof. On the other hand, his river 3-bet is kinda small (even leaves me some money behind). But is that because he wants to squeeze value, or because a re-bluff doesn't need to be too big here? So, call or fold? And how do you like the rest of the hand? And also, because I'm a little curious and a little sick in the head, how deep do we have to be before you'd like a river 4-bet bluffshove? Cause I think that would be sexy. |
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why cant he have the nuts?
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hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Seems like his range to lead the flop could be as wide as his range to limp the SB. High spades are a much bigger part of his range than they are of yours, but I guess that might be why he made the 3bet. |
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hmmmmmmmmmmmm Seems like his range to lead the flop could be as wide as his range to limp the SB. High spades are a much bigger part of his range than they are of yours, but I guess that might be why he made the 3bet. [/ QUOTE ] Agree w/ this. Imo, betting with a v wide range in a 3-way limped pot like this is, at a minimum, neutral EV compared with only betting 45, 32, sets, mid pps, 9s. Betting overcards + bdfd + bdsd (KJs, KTs) is profitable most of the time in his spot. This doesn't mean he has spades enough to make it a fold, just that requiring his range to interact strongly with the flop doesn't make sense to me. It's not like he raised a raiser's cbet; he just donked a limped pot. The turn pot, after the flop is called, probably weights him away from air, but on the turn, spades isn't air anymore. I throw up and call the river, because I don't like to fold. |
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I would like results from this one.
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I call, villain wins with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. meh.
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why cant he have the nuts? [/ QUOTE ] sure he can, if he potted flop into two people with KsXs. i'm mainly wondering if I win this 20% or 25% or whatever it takes to call, and if my line in the rest of the hand was most appropriate for the situation |
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u do win 20% or 25% or whatever.
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[ QUOTE ] why cant he have the nuts? [/ QUOTE ] sure he can, if he potted flop into two people with KsXs. i'm mainly wondering if I win this 20% or 25% or whatever it takes to call, and if my line in the rest of the hand was most appropriate for the situation [/ QUOTE ] I would pot it with a flush draw in his spot... I'd payoff in yours too, because there is an off chance he has the same hand or is retarded. |
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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] why cant he have the nuts? [/ QUOTE ] sure he can, if he potted flop into two people with KsXs. i'm mainly wondering if I win this 20% or 25% or whatever it takes to call, and if my line in the rest of the hand was most appropriate for the situation [/ QUOTE ] I would pot it with a flush draw in his spot... [/ QUOTE ] the spades came backdoor, i dont think you pot flops with all your backdoor flush draws this hand is super weird, 32ss makes sense but no way he 3 bets river. i might just call because i couldn't figure out wtf he has. |
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