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11-08-2007, 11:00 AM
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I turn a double gutter vs a fish, bluff raise?
Sorry no hh to convert from, im sick in bed, using the laptop. This hand happened earlier today and I was just thinking about it so Ill post it from memory.
Villain is fishy and weird, goes from usual passive station to crazy spewy - earlier in this session he minraised a tag with KQ on a T high flop, no draw, and called a shove with about a 65bb stack. Ive been fairly tight and solid on this table and he hasnt done anything crazy in pots with me so far. $250 effective stacks. I open 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in CO $7. Folds to villain (BB) who minraises to $12. I call. Flop ($24) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] BB bets $10, I call. Turn ($44) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] BB bets $12, I... I called the flop bc hey we have a gutshot and bd hearts, intending to float because it was a weird small bet. So on the turn do I take the sweet odds that he is giving me or do I raise that [censored] up? I havent seen his min3betting range at showdown but hes been doing it often enough that I can reasonably expect his range is a little wider than premium hands. 
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#2
11-08-2007, 11:01 AM
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Re: I turn a double gutter vs a fish, bluff raise?
You're getting odds with a disguised hand against a fish that probably won't fold to your raise (also won't fold to your river bet/raise). Call here, overbet the pot if you hit.
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#4
11-08-2007, 07:51 PM
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Re: I turn a double gutter vs a fish, bluff raise?
That's a scared bet, i raise this all day and twice on sundays. And i'm not being macho, this exact scenario comes up quite frequently and i take advantage of it quite often. If you raise to 38 i expect him to fold quite often.
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#5
11-08-2007, 08:35 PM
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Re: I turn a double gutter vs a fish, bluff raise?
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That's a scared bet, i raise this all day and twice on sundays. And i'm not being macho, this exact scenario comes up quite frequently and i take advantage of it quite often. If you raise to 38 i expect him to fold quite often. [/ QUOTE ] This seems like the best advice to me. I think you have a ton more fold equity here than what some are saying. You are deep enough for this to work, imo.
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#6
11-08-2007, 11:22 PM
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Re: I turn a double gutter vs a fish, bluff raise?
Turn ($44) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
BB bets $12, I raise to $52, BB raises to $92... So now ive got immediate odds to call so I have to, but without being results oriented I think its better to just take the cheap price on the turn rather than try and push a fishy guy off a hand, weak or not.
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#7
11-09-2007, 12:26 AM
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Re: I turn a double gutter vs a fish, bluff raise?
i would say just call and wait. like otehrs have said the fish prolly won't fold and then u will be leaving it up to luck to pull u out. if u only call here and u miss, if he is smart he knows your drawning and prolly won't fold to a bet on river. but if u hit u will get a call since he mite think your just trying to take down the pot with a bluff.
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#9
11-08-2007, 07:52 PM
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Re: I turn a double gutter vs a fish, bluff raise?
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yeah, just call. I don't really like to semi-bluff these type of players b/c they never fold, and when you hit you can get paid off generally. [/ QUOTE ]
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