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When you're playing the blind positions does "pot equity" come into play as to whether or not you play?
For example1: game 3/6 limit sb $2 bb $3 if you're in the SB with 8c4d (a hand you're not supposed to play) and there are 3 callers before you act. pot size 3sb, pot equity is .5 bets to 3 (3/.5 = 6 to 1?) or 9/3? $9 in pot/$3 to call (9/3 = 3 to 1) BB still to act if the BB raises then toss the hand. Move on the next round for example2: game 4/8limit sb $2 bb $4 if you're in the BB with 6s9d and there is a raise in early position with 4 callers including the SB pot size 8sb, "pot equity" is 8/4 = 2 to 1? fold the hand and move on? if I'm wrong here please clarify what I'm doing wrong Also in the SB/BB positions is there a "pot equity" min. that you should look for?.... greater than 3to1? Probably not the best job in describing this question, but thanks for taking the time to read. I'm probably missing something here so looking forward to the replies.... |
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OK, so this is going to be a bit rough maybe, but I'll try to help. SSHE says to play "any hand that you would play from the button" in a 1/3 blind structure (meaning that the sb is 1/3rd of the big blind). In a 2/3 blind structure, I think you can really play just about any two cards so long as least one person has limped in and you play reasonable well post flop.
Your pot equity math baffles me. The number you want is the odds the pot is laying you. If you're closing the action against a raise and 4 callers, then there are 11 small bets already in the pot (the raiser's two, two each from the 4 callers, and your big blind). You're being offered 11:1 for your trouble, which is a pretty nice price. If you have any sort of hand you should probably see the flop. Hope that helps. |
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Thanks for the reply.... baffles me to... lol... but I'm still learning.... making mistakes but catching on quick.... my biggest weakness is playing the blinds...
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What is the structure of the game you play? Is it 1/3, 2/3 or 1/2? Defending the blinds is tricky. Another thing you want to think about is the effect of the rake. Playing a 3/6 pot 3-handed doesnt make a whole lot of sense if the rake+tip is 5 dollars [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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I usually play 3/6 where the small blind is 1/3 and 4/8 where the small blind is 1/2.
The blinds is where I'm the weakest.... I have a really hard time deciding what to do in a situation where for one more chip or one small bet... what to do...especially with suited connectors like 87o, Q9o.... hands that according to SSHE you're not supposed to play. On a side note.. back to basis of the question... do you look at the size of the pot to determine if you should call in the blinds? Thanks again for taking the time..... |
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Playing these hands in the SB when you're just completing the bet is a small mistake if you're having trouble dealing with them postflop. You seem to be sort of a beginner to all of this, so my advice would be to just fold them if you're not comfortable.
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Jesse...
The simplest way to rephrase the quesiton would be.... If you're in BB/SB position with a hand you are not supposed to call with, does the size of the pot (pot odds?) determine if you if you should call in the sb and call a raise in the big blind? If so what is the min. odds before you can justify calling? Using the example you mentioned A4rag.... is there any reason ever to call in the SB position and call a raise in the BB positon, if so please show how... Thanks.... |
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First of all, James said it all quite well. Thanks!
[ QUOTE ] Using the example you mentioned A4rag.... is there any reason ever to call in the SB position and call a raise in the BB positon, if so please show how... Thanks.... [/ QUOTE ] Two situations: In the SB, if you're playing a 2/3 structure, I think you can call A4o. In the BB, if you think you're heads up against a very loose and aggressive steal raise from the button, I could see continuing with A4o Folding A4o from the blinds every single time you're asked to voluntarily contribute can't be bad. |
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pot odds combined with implied odds dicate every decision in limit hold em.
a good rule of thumb for when you're in the bb facing a raise(esp a late position raise) is that you want at least 35% equity against your opponent's range to play. the later the position of the raiser, the wider a range has this amount of equity. the most important thing to watch out for when choosing what hands to call with is the effect domination has on your holding. typically, i would rather call a steal raise with 89o than K9o. this is because we are drawing to 3 outs more often with K9o than 89o. one card poker is a losing proposition unless you get very, very lucky. of course the raiser has alot to do with the decision as well. an aggressive raiser has a wider range and offers better implied odds than a tightpassive raiser. so know your man, avoid domination, and play well postflop and you are on your way. it should be noted a different strategy should be employed from the sb. very rarely(except when the hand is going to be 5 handed or something) shoudl you be coldcalling raises from teh sb. against an open raiser your strategy from the small blind should almost always be to raise or fold. also, because you are getting worse odds and you are in worse position(BB could still wake up with a hand)you should play tighter from the sb(this is also influenced by the structure of the game: 1/3 vs. 1/2 vs. 2/3). literally an entire book could be written on blind play in LHE, and maybe someday it will happen. until then, analyze your situations as best you can and play within yourself and you will get better. |
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