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Request for a ruling
Two players in the pot. Player A goes AI. Player B calls. Player A says "you got me" and pushes his cards about an inch forward.
Player B shows a pair of aces and starts raking the pot in. Player A turns over his cards to show he was bluffing. Player C said "wait a minute, you have a straight." Player B said that verbal statements are binding and as such the cards were folded. A ruling was made that since player A had never actually put his cards into the muck pile and that they were still in front of him, the straight is good. Was this a correct ruling, or not? |
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Re: Request for a ruling
Cards Speak.
Player A wins. |
#3
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Re: Request for a ruling
I agree - Player B was silly for even showing his cards here; If he had mucked himself Player A probably would not have shown, and even if he did, I would say Player B is entitled to the pot since he mucked based on Player A conceding.
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Re: Request for a ruling
A more interesting situation...
What if Player A does the same thing, then Player B says "Cool" and mucks, then starts raking the pot. Robert's Rules states: "Your hand is declared dead if you throw your hand away in a forward motion causing another player to act behind you (even if not facing a bet )." Does Player A's verbal "you got me" and his cards moving an inch forward constitute a fold, making his hand dead? I think it does. |
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Re: Request for a ruling
i had the same thing happen to me in a casino in londen.
i checkraise turn, opponent calls and we both check river. i show my top pair and he says ok, then he shows his cards while mucking to player next to him and he says: dude you have a straight. some players requested a ruling and floormen said "cards speak". |
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Re: Request for a ruling
"You got me" with pushing cards forward sounds like a concession. This action declares "I concede, you win."
[ QUOTE ] Player B shows a pair of aces and starts raking the pot in. [/ QUOTE ] It's player As responsibility to table his hand before the pot has been claimed. Player B gets the pot because Player A was a moron. |
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Re: Request for a ruling
[ QUOTE ]
A more interesting situation... What if Player A does the same thing, then Player B says "Cool" and mucks, then starts raking the pot. Does Player A's verbal "you got me" and his cards moving an inch forward constitute a fold, making his hand dead? I think it does. [/ QUOTE ] No, but making a verbal declaration that causes an incorrect action behind you could make your hand dead. If Player B did not show his hand before mucking, then he is warned to table his hand in the future and not to let go of his cards until the pot is in his possession. Player A is warned that he might get ruled against in the future if he gets cutesy. |
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Re: Request for a ruling
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Cards Speak. Player A wins. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: Request for a ruling
Cards speak unless the hand is mucked and no longer identifiable. There is a big difference between a "dead hand" and a "mucked hand". A dead hand cannot be brought back to life while a mucked hand can (unless it is buried then it is also dead).
I think too many people try to use the muck rule to win pots they don't deserve (at showdown that is). |
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Re: Request for a ruling
I understand that in the spirit of the rule, cards would speak in this situation, since the cars only moved an inch, and you would want to award the pot to the correct person when possible. But according to the rule, if Player B mucked his hand (he should know to hold on to his card until he has the pot) as a result of Player A's actions, wouldn't Player A's hand be declared dead?
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