TPTK vs. c/r 3-bet?

DeucesNeverLoses · #1 10-15-2007, 04:05 AM

7 handed 10/20 live limit game. Game is pretty passive, no real reads on villains. Villain 1 has only played 5-6 hands so far and only hand he's played he just called a PFR w/ AQcc and bet TPTK the whole way. Villain 2 I raised QJ in MP and he called from BB. He check raised a Ah-4s-5s flop with AQss and showed me. Other than that, no real reads.

I am UTG w/ ATo and raise, villain 1 is OTB and calls, BB (villain 2) calls.

T62 flop rainbow.

BB checks, I pause for a second to try and give a physical tell that I hate the flop, then throw $10 in the middle. Villain 1 raises to $20, Villain 2 INSTA 3 bets. Hero?

One Outer · #2 10-15-2007, 04:47 AM

First, does anyone else fold this preflop? I certainly do.

You're getting an instant 6-1 call when the action is on you (if my math is right). If villain 1 doesn't cap then you I think you can make the call and hope to catch an A or T. I think villain 2 has a set here most of the time; over pairs the rest of the time and a T rarely, but once in a while.

I think it's correct to call the flop but I really hate having to do it. I think we might have to fold a turn UI. I feel like I'm wrong though; I want to see what other people say.

DeucesNeverLoses · #3 10-15-2007, 05:04 AM

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7-handed passive table? I'm either folding or raising, 90% the latter [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] My table image has been solid TAG/LAG fwiw.

One Outer · #4 10-15-2007, 05:08 AM

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7-handed passive table? I'm either folding or raising, 90% the latter [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] My table image has been solid TAG/LAG fwiw.

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I still don't like it. 5 handed, sure, but I think seven is still too many to be doing this. I'm willing to reserve judgment until we see more posts, though.

Tugg · #5 10-15-2007, 06:26 AM

I would also fold preflop.
With this flop and action at a passive table I think your looking at a set too often to continue. If you had position and were closing the betting, I might call, but as is, I fold.

kyzerjose · #6 10-15-2007, 07:05 AM

Pretty easy fold pF.
Feels like a couple of over cards with a BDFD, an over pair or set.
Meh, the price is attractive to call but I hate playing a big pot stuck between a couple of aggro monkeys with only TPTK and 3 overs that can kill my hand.
I fold.