PP 11$ / AJo / Level 4

Meech · #1 02-02-2006, 03:53 PM

Just double checking a line here.

Reads:

SB has played about at least 50% of the hands dealt to him. He's been quite active, frequently minbetting at pots. He has definately gotten lucky and doubled up a few times.

This is only the 2nd or 3rd time I've raised preflop in the whole game.

So the flop misses me, but I still might be ahead. I've got 25% of my chips in the pot, the pot is 700 and I've got 840 behind.

PartyPoker - NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Tournament | Level: 4 - 5 players (Converter: PGC)

Chip Counts:
Hero: 1140 Chips
SB: 2485 Chips
BB: 700 Chips
UTG: 460 Chips
CO: 3215 Chips

Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Blinds are 50/100

PreFlop
UTG folds, CO folds, Hero RAISES ($300) SB Calls, BB folds

(2 players) FLOP: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 700 Chips )
SB checks, Hero is All-In, SB Calls

(2 players) TURN: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 1540 Chips )

(2 players) RIVER: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 1540 Chips )

Final Pot:1540 Chips

wildzer0 · #2 02-02-2006, 03:56 PM

I would push this preflop if SB has been very aggressive.

seke2 · #3 02-02-2006, 04:11 PM

push preflop

given that you didn't push preflop, the flop semi-bluff is fine by me. on that sort of flop, the first person to show aggression often wins it unless someone caught a piece of the board. and going all-in was your only move if you were going to bet given the size of the pot and the size of your stack.

JudoGirl · #4 02-02-2006, 04:42 PM

I don't like pushing pf--I prefer your raise to 300.

On the flop I check behind. If he min bets the turn I probably minraise him, otherwise I bet out 250. If he calls and checks the river I check behind.

wiggs73 · #5 02-02-2006, 04:46 PM

judogirl, can you provide any rational thinking behind this line? i have been trying to think of some myself but i'm at a loss.

tigerite · #6 02-02-2006, 04:49 PM

There isn't one, it's a push preflop and a very very easy one at that.

Meech · #7 02-02-2006, 04:58 PM

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Yeah, I ran it through SNGPT after the fact. It's +0.5% even if he's calling with any 2. For some reason I tend to discount preflop pushing a wee bit when I'm > 10bb. I need to work on this -- situations like this I can't really maneuver too much post flop anyhow.

Meech · #8 02-02-2006, 05:41 PM

SB used up his timebank and called me with.....

AQo

and MHING

Obviously the GAP concept is something he was unfamiliar with because I think it's a terrible call on his part. From his perspective I think a repush PF would have been a much better line if he wanted to play.

JudoGirl · #9 02-02-2006, 06:21 PM

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There isn't one, it's a push preflop and a very very easy one at that.

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For some reason I tend to discount preflop pushing a wee bit when I'm > 10bb. I need to work on this -- situations like this I can't really maneuver too much post flop anyhow.

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LOL. My ROI went up after I stopped doing that.

JudoGirl · #10 02-02-2006, 06:02 PM

lol. I'll provide my reasoning. I'm not sure if you'd consider it rational though [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Preflop: I'm willing to go all in pf with this hand and will call a push by either sb or bb. I think the chances are that my hand is best and that by raising 3x, either one of the 2 remaining players will push over the top with a weaker A or a decent K or any pair (and of course I have the right odds to call a push by any pair smaller than J). In fact, I think they will push with weaker hands than they would fold to my pf push. So the 1st reason I raise instead of pushing is that I'm giving a weaker hand the opportunity to come over the top thinking they have fold equity (people love coming over the top in the $11's at this stage with A-any and weak K's). BB is unlikely to call my hand--he is going to push or fold. If SB calls, BB will be happy to fold a lot of hands hoping that I'll get busted leaving him at the bubble with one other person with a shorter stack. So, in short, I think I'm more likely to get chips into the pot as a significant favorite by raising vs pushing.

Flop: My hand is probably good. SB is aggressive and may very well try to make a move on me. It won't work though, because with this board I am committed to the hand and believe it is likely best. When SB checks, I ask my self what a strong hand would do in this situation and I give SB some credit for being smart enough to think the same thing. If I had any K here, I would check behind. Also, if I had any big pair I would check behind because I'd give SB the chance to represent a K on the turn or river (if he has it, I'm going broke). So I check behind.

Turn: SB is likely to try to small bet to pick up the pot here. If he does, I think a min raise looks scariest to him. If he checks, of course I'm going to bet my hand.

River: If he called my bet on the turn and he checks the river, he most likely has me beat and will call any bet on teh river. Thus I check behind with enough chips to push with 5x the bb.

Note: I have been rightfully accused of FPS, so it very well may apply here. I should probably do the math... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]