Random bluff from $1500NL WSOP event

[TwistedEcho]

So its deepish on day 1 in one of the $1500 events. I'm playing pretty lag since live poker is boring, and everyone loves to fold, and have shown down pretty much no hands. The only big pot i've played was when i raised ATh from MP and got one caller, flop comes Kh Tx 4h and i bet he calls, turn Xh, i bet he minraises and i shove. He tanks and folds.

So anyway, some young looking kid moves to my table with about 80k at 300/600 and i have about 50k. He is raising a ton of hands, and i'm raising when he folds (i have position). I have coldcalled him twice, and won once when i floated, and the other i just folded to his cbet. I haven't reraised him yet, but hes only been here about two orbits or so.

So onto the hand, its folded to him on the button and he raises to 1800 at 300/600/whatever the ante is. I decide its time to repop him from the BB, and happen to have 54h.

I count out chips, and make it 5500 total, he thinks for maybe 10 seconds, and annouces raise. He thinks for a little longer, and counts out chips. He grabs about 7 1k chips, some $500 chips and some $100 chips and stacks them up neatly, and pushes them in front of him. I ask how much it is, and the dealer informs me its $12k total.

I move allin.

[People_Mover]

You have bigger nuts than I do. Isn't his basically minraising you back indicating a monster?

[NYWalker]

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You have bigger nuts than I do. Isn't his basically minraising you back indicating a monster?

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The flop Ah2h3h and villain tabled AA. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[T_Mac]

Sounds like you got too bored, happens to me too.

It's never good.

[IWEARGOGGLES]

Once I read the title to the thread I knew I was going to say fold. :-p

[TwistedEcho]

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You have bigger nuts than I do. Isn't his basically minraising you back indicating a monster?

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Hmm, i read it as the opposite, i felt it meant he had random cards, and put me on random cards so decided to throw another bet in. He clearly wouldn't expect me to be able to 5bet light here, so i did.

[Tyler Durden]

I love flatcalling over 3betting preflop, unless you really think you won't have to 5bet to win the pot (does that make any sense?)

Meaning, if you thought that he could 4bet you lightly and put you in a tough spot, I hate the 3bet. Especially b/c 54s is a great hand for a simple blind defense.

But I could be way off.

[Cornell Fiji]

Junglen theorem for the win?

This is a simple question of ranges that I can't really determine without looking into his eyes and without full knowledge of how the villain has been playing and his image of you.

I doubt that he will think that you have the balls to make this 5 bet without AA/KK/QQ (especially because he gave you set odds for lower pairs so you would have a viable option with JJ rather than push or fold). So his calling range is pretty much AA/KK unless he thinks that you are capable of this move. What percentage of his raising range is AA/KK is impossible to determine without being there.

[s33w33d]

The problem is, is he priced in?

If you have exactly T50,000, he's already put in T12,000. The Blinds + Antes are a further T1,575 (assuming 9 handed at T300/T600 + T75). So his call would be T38,000 to win a pot that already has T63,575 in it. What's his 4 betting range? If it's ATC, sure, maybe I'd make this play, but if he has any kind of pocket pair or AK type hand he more or less has to call figuring he's racing, no?

[WarDekar]

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The problem is, is he priced in?

If you have exactly T50,000, he's already put in T12,000. The Blinds + Antes are a further T1,575 (assuming 9 handed at T300/T600 + T75). So his call would be T38,000 to win a pot that already has T63,575 in it. What's his 4 betting range? If it's ATC, sure, maybe I'd make this play, but if he has any kind of pocket pair or AK type hand he more or less has to call figuring he's racing, no?

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...No? Last time I checked you need a lot better than 1.7:1 (not even) to call KK/AA...