6/12 live-betting into a PF raiser with less than top pair?

[mrcunningham]

9 handed, Saturday night, average of 4 to a flop, button is 35ish ethnic Chinese that speaks Chinese, if that makes any difference to any of you, who has been fairly quiet in his 30 minutes at the table so far.

I limp Ad5d UTG+2, button raises, Bb and I call,
F: T52d
BB check, I bet, button call, BB folds
T: 7
I bet, button calls
R: 6 (no possible flushes)
I bet…

Thoughts?

[BigBadBabar]

fold pf pls

[TheCount212]

I always hate disagreeing with Babar, as he's the Archbishop of Valuetown =], but at an LP table I love the idea of limping with a suited A. If the table were tougher I'd have to consider folding this PF. What do the numbers have to say about this situation, I wonder?

[KitCloudkicker]

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I always hate disagreeing with Babar, as he's the Archbishop of Valuetown =], but at an LP table I love the idea of limping with a suited A. If the table were tougher I'd have to consider folding this PF. What do the numbers have to say about this situation, I wonder?

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this is not a loose passive table.

[TheCount212]

True enough. But it's gonna take a lot more than one raise PF to get me to fold a suited A.

[mrcunningham]

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I always hate disagreeing with Babar, as he's the Archbishop of Valuetown =], but at an LP table I love the idea of limping with a suited A. If the table were tougher I'd have to consider folding this PF. What do the numbers have to say about this situation, I wonder?

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this is not a loose passive table.

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Regarding the limp, this is really the key point. Typically, I go ahead and play these types of hands because live on a weekend night we usually see 5-6 to a flop. That nite the table had more tight passive type players. Maybe 1 PF raise per orbit. With only 4 to a flop, it seems the decision to limp will require a bit more consideration.

[TheCount212]

Again a good point. But I have this strange fascination with holding nut flush draws, betting them, and raking in huge pots when they hit. =]

[Mook]

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Regarding the limp, this is really the key point. Typically, I go ahead and play these types of hands because live on a weekend night we usually see 5-6 to a flop. That nite the table had more tight passive type players. Maybe 1 PF raise per orbit. With only 4 to a flop, it seems the decision to limp will require a bit more consideration.

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If the table is so passive that 10% or fewer of hands are getting raised PF, I'm playing A5s from any position, whether the table is averaging 3 people to a flop or 8. Play it for a small pot in the former case and a gigantic pot in the latter case.

Your primary concern with this hand is having to play it out of position against a bigger ace. The good news is, at very passive tables you'll make far more those times you hit your flush (or bully passive opponents out of the pot with the worst hand) than you'll lose those times you call down with dominated one-pair hands (or get bluffed off the best hand by aggressive opponents).

I think I'd even be willing to risk a raise from EP-MP with A5s to get the pot heads-up or 3-handed ... then again, they don't call me King Spew for nothin'. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Mook

[KitCloudkicker]

i dont mind the flop bet against passive players. Check the river.

also fold PF. it sounds like table conditions are poor for this hand from early position.

[Maliant]

What are you getting value off on river? A5 is a trash hand btw.