If we pulled out of Iraq immediately...

[Steven Bickford]

Let's say that Bush heeded the advice of some of the people in this forum and pulled every single US troop out of Iraq and other foreign territories. If this happened, do you think Osama would renounce his jihad on America and stop planning terrorist attacks on US soil?

[Brainwalter]

hmm, depends is he alive or dead?

[Steven Bickford]

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hmm, depends is he alive or dead?

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As far as we can tell, he is a alive. But if you want to nitpick, simply replace Osama with Al Qaeda in the question.

[Nielsio]

I don't understand the question. The american army is an occupying force. They are the bad guys. What does OBL or whomever have to do with this?

[Steven Bickford]

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I don't understand the question. The american army is an occupying force. They are the bad guys. What does OBL or whomever have to do with this?

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First of all, Saddam Hussein was the occupying force in Iraq for decades until we liberated the Iraqi people from his reign of terror. Saddam is the one who ordered gas attacks on innocent civilians. It's not our fault that Iran, Al Qaeda, and the former Sunni ruling elite are doing everything in their power to cause chaos and make America look bad.

Secondly, you tell me what OBL has to do with this. I'm not sure if you are among them, but there is a large group of people in this forum who make excuses for the terrorist attacks of 9/11 by saying that US foreign policy is to blame for the attacks.

[Nielsio]

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I don't understand the question. The american army is an occupying force. They are the bad guys. What does OBL or whomever have to do with this?

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First of all, Saddam Hussein was the occupying force in Iraq for decades until we liberated the Iraqi people from his reign of terror. Saddam is the one who ordered gas attacks on innocent civilians.

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Here's a little history for you:

The West has drawn the country lines of Iraq. They instituted Saddam, they supplied him weapons and supported him all through his killings. Then they started sanctions which killed hundreds of thousands.

'Liberating the Iraqi people'; R U serious?


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Secondly, you tell me what OBL has to do with this. I'm not sure if you are among them, but there is a large group of people in this forum who make excuses for the terrorist attacks of 9/11 by saying that US foreign policy is to blame for the attacks.

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Hahaha. I'm saying it's an inside job. Just like 1993 WTC attacks. Listen to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9vD9kRULsc (first 6 minutes or so).

[GoodCallYouWin]

" Saddam is the one who ordered gas attacks on innocent civilians. It's not our fault that Iran, Al Qaeda, and the former Sunni ruling elite are doing everything in their power to cause chaos and make America look bad. "

Well, when you prop up Sadaam and send him weapons, money and yes even biological agents, when you fund the people who turned into Al-Qaeda and when you over throw the democratically elected government in Iran, subverting the first Muslim democracy in the middle east, I would say you bear some of the responsibility.

[zasterguava]

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I don't understand the question. The american army is an occupying force. They are the bad guys. What does OBL or whomever have to do with this?

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If Saddam was really a threat to the world and the most evil dictator in the world would all occupational forces in Iraq still be "the bad guys" -even if there genuine goal was in the interest of democratic Iraqi opinion and their well-being? Providing you are an ACist I assume you think ALL occupation forces are the "bad guys" by nature but putting your pipe-dreams aside ( I am putting my anarchistic philosophy aside)~ can you acknwoledge that in the current climate/framework occupation forces can be "good"?

[Nielsio]

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I don't understand the question. The american army is an occupying force. They are the bad guys. What does OBL or whomever have to do with this?

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If Saddam was really a threat to the world and the most evil dictator in the world would all occupational forces in Iraq still be "the bad guys" -even if there genuine goal was in the interest of democratic Iraqi opinion and their well-being? Providing you are an ACist I assume you think ALL occupation forces are the "bad guys" by nature but putting your pipe-dreams aside ( I am putting my anarchistic philosophy aside)~ can you acknwoledge that in the current climate/framework occupation forces can be "good"?

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This is mostly my position:

CBC Hot Type, Evan Solomon interviews Noam Chomsky on his book 9-11
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5487&hl=nl
(40 minutes, very eye-opening)

"NC: I respond to that by saying that there are many evil forces in the world. If we want to stop atrocities, I think it's a great idea to reduce the level of atrocities and violence around the world. The easiest way to do it, simple, is to stop participating in it. If we stop participating in it, we will already reduce the levels of atrocities and violence enormously."

[UATrewqaz]

What you fail to understand is what sort of damage you do to your creditability when you start in with your "zomg 9/11 was a conspriacy!!1" stuff.

In the world's eyes, this completely invalidates any and all other opinions you may hold.

If you fail to grasp something so simple and obvious and proven as the facts of 9/11, how can your opinion on anything else be trusted?

It would be like if you were listening to a guy give opinions on stuff at a lecture and you were agreeing with him, then all the sudden he began telling you about his home planet Nebulon 5 in the Corpulus sector.

You'd be like "WTF, this guy is a loon." and odds are you wouldn't take anything he has to say from that point on seriously.

There are 3 types of conspriacy theory people

1. People who desperately want to feel special and smart.

2. People who suffer from some sort of actual mental illness (paranoid schizophrenics, etc.)

3. People who would directly benefit if the conspiracy were actually true (politically, economically, etc.)

You're probably a combo of 1 & 3.