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09-03-2007, 09:47 AM
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Top trips on the river. What are we doing?
What's the play here. Villian is spaz.
PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (10.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (6.16 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (12.16 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font> 
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#3
09-03-2007, 09:55 AM
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Re: Top trips on the river. What are we doing?
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What else is there to do but call? [/ QUOTE ] Raising would never enter your mind? Villian would cap any high ace pre-flop. Also, what clubs is he capping pre-flop?
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#5
09-03-2007, 11:05 AM
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Re: Top trips on the river. What are we doing?
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What else is there to do but call? [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Honestly it wouldn't. Did we improve on this river? [/ QUOTE ]
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#6
09-03-2007, 11:18 AM
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Re: Top trips on the river. What are we doing?
we didn't improve vs villain's range on the river, as 23 29 39 are most likely not possible
if he is capping every ace pre and would play them like that on the turn, you have enough equity to cap the turn and bet/call the river (just calling if bet into)
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#7
09-03-2007, 11:46 AM
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Re: Top trips on the river. What are we doing?
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Villian would cap any high ace pre-flop. Also, what clubs is he capping pre-flop? [/ QUOTE ] You seem to be arguing that the river did not help you. I kind of agree. So I call.
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#8
09-03-2007, 12:43 PM
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Re: Top trips on the river. What are we doing?
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[ QUOTE ] Villian would cap any high ace pre-flop. Also, what clubs is he capping pre-flop? [/ QUOTE ] You seem to be arguing that the river did not help you. I kind of agree. So I call. [/ QUOTE ] Huh, how's that? What I'm arguing is that no club combo really makes sense (or at least, certainly isn't "standard") in light of the pre-flop cap, and that there are some ace combos he could have that are worse than mine.
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#9
09-03-2007, 02:35 PM
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Re: Top trips on the river. What are we doing?
I would call, for the following reasons:
1. Raising will not knock Villain out 2. The hand that will beat you are: any 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]'s, 22, 33, 99, A2, A3, A9. Of these, according to original poster, the final four listed, plus QJ[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], QT[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], and even Q8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] could explain Villain's betting pattern. Additionally, this person may play any small pair to the limit short-handed, pre-flop, so 22 and 33 are still dangerous. 3. Villain's hands you will win with that Villain may have been betting like that are: Ax (but not x=9,3,2; most likely AQ, AJ, AT, esp. if kicker is a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]), and any pair other than those above. For me, there are too many likely hands that could win for Villain, compared to the likely hands that will win for you. Not having been in the game, and having enough information on what the flop did for the Villain, I would call. The only hands the river Ace helped you on (i.e. moved you from loser to winner) are two-pairs for the Villain; would Villain have capped pre-flop on 93, 92, or 32? The Ace also would have made Villain's Ax look better (but would not have helped him). Basically, it moved you from top pair with a good kicker to top three-of-a-kind with a good kicker, but also introduced the possibility of a 9's, 3's, or 2's, over A's for your opponent -- something that kills you. So I agree the river Ace doesn't change this hand much. Not nearly as much as the flush-completing turn Ace.
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#10
09-03-2007, 04:56 PM
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Re: Top trips on the river. What are we doing?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Villian would cap any high ace pre-flop. Also, what clubs is he capping pre-flop? [/ QUOTE ] You seem to be arguing that the river did not help you. I kind of agree. So I call. [/ QUOTE ] Huh, how's that? What I'm arguing is that no club combo really makes sense (or at least, certainly isn't "standard") in light of the pre-flop cap, and that there are some ace combos he could have that are worse than mine. [/ QUOTE ] That is maybe correct.But then it doesnīt make any sense to not cap the turn.Your hand value hasnīt changed with the river card.
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