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new live 5-5 plo game at bike...big hand
plo hi only, super deep plo isnt a daily occurence so i have to admit im a little rusty and may have some fuzzy thinking.
pot is straddled laggy bizarre utg w/ 8k limps, i w/ 3.5k raise to 30 in cutoff w/ 2d3s3d5s, looose passive button w/ 9k makes it 100, utg calls i call. flop is 378 rainbow. utg checks i check and decide to get in a check raise, button bets 200, utg makes it 600, now utgs range is any 2 pr any set any draw i decide my best play here is to call and reassess the turn. i have a feeling utg wont lead out w. 2pr once i call here. so i call and the button calls putting himself solidly on an overpair, should i assume he has a draw to go w/ it? turn is a j no flush draw. utg checks as i have hoped, i bet 1500 now button pots it, utg folds set of 7's face up. i decide the button has aa9t cause w/ stax so deep he cant move in in front of the other huge stack w/ jj and i should call, so i do. he actually turns kk9t, we run it twice and i escape w/ a chop but i really felt uneasy about my thought/decision process and feel i need to think about the game a little before going back, thoughts on all streets appreciated. |
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Re: new live 5-5 plo game at bike...big hand
If this game doesn't normally go you can expect people to play really really badly. Not just bad as in normal LA NL games bad but bad because they will overplay hands even more in PLO. Preflop is fine, it is on the loose side but good if your opponents play badly.
I'd definitely expect button to have a draw (even a nut gutshot) when he calls the flop check raise, if he really is terrible then a bare overpair is possible. I think I'd check the turn. You don't get much value from worse, you don't really need to protect your hand against 2 pair or an overpair because they have few outs, and you don't need to spew money off to a set or the straight. Everywhere else in the hand it seems like you are putting in money good or with a good price. |
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Re: new live 5-5 plo game at bike...big hand
Wait, why should we call the turn raise? (Not that I would have bet the turn, nor played preflop, etc.)
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Re: new live 5-5 plo game at bike...big hand
think we are priced in to the turn call getting 5-1 with 8 outs, if you put him on an overset even 10% of the time or so it is a fold though.
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Re: new live 5-5 plo game at bike...big hand
is folding this flop really that bad? and wtfs with guy flipping his cards up in the middle of the hand?
i toss this preflop too i like betting out on the flop. check raising bottom set if it goes raise reraise is just bad news obv. i wouldnt feel very happy about check raising even if button bet and utg cold called. betting the turn is not a good idea. you are very rarely ahead here. you might as well just shove the flop if your going to bet get it in on a j turn. i feel like [censored] so some of this might not make much sense. |
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Re: new live 5-5 plo game at bike...big hand
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think we are priced in to the turn call getting 5-1 with 8 outs, if you put him on an overset even 10% of the time or so it is a fold though. [/ QUOTE ] oh i see stack sizes now |
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Re: new live 5-5 plo game at bike...big hand
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If this game doesn't normally go you can expect people to play really really badly. [/ QUOTE ] I'm sure we all have great stories about live Omaha, but mine is hitting the nut flush and having two people raise like 5 times (limit omaha). I kept looking at my cards and the board to make sure that there really was a flush on the board and a straight wasn't possible. Someone just had some middle flush and another a straight or some other nonsense. |
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Re: new live 5-5 plo game at bike...big hand
If I don't make any allowances for playing bad just b/c live is boring:
Fold preflop, bet flop, fold to bet and raise. Check turn and if you do bet, fold to the raise. Other than that you played it perfect. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] |
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Re: new live 5-5 plo game at bike...big hand
id actually like to hear your analysis...
[ QUOTE ] Fold preflop, [/ QUOTE ] reasons [ QUOTE ] bet flop, [/ QUOTE ] reasons [ QUOTE ] fold to bet and raise. [/ QUOTE ] reasons [ QUOTE ] Check turn and if you do bet, fold to the raise. [/ QUOTE ] reasons? |
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Re: new live 5-5 plo game at bike...big hand
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id actually like to hear your analysis... [/ QUOTE ] OK. [ QUOTE ] Fold preflop, [/ QUOTE ] I'd think this one's fairly obvious. You're 7 buy-ins deep and you've got a hand that's almost impossible to make the nuts with. A4x is the only flop that gives you a decent wrap, and you're going to be on the wrong end of any set-over-set confrontations unless someone has the case two deuces on an x32 flop. This is a hand I'd usually open-fold in the CO with 100 BB. Playing it this deep in a multi-way pot is suicide. [ QUOTE ] bet flop, [/ QUOTE ] You've got a very strong hand, you're second to last to act, and you're playing with a bunch of loose-passive live players. Furthermore, the player behind you doesn't even have the betting lead. [ QUOTE ] fold to bet and raise. [/ QUOTE ] You're now behind your opponents' ranges. Saying the check/raiser can have "any two pair" is extremely optimistic. He might have top two occasionally, but it will usually be a set. [ QUOTE ] Check turn and if you do bet, fold to the raise. [/ QUOTE ] The player behind you is strongly giving evidence of a draw. There was no flush draw on the flop and the most likely open-ender got there as did the good wraps. You are giving away the entire value of your hand (when it's even live) by making it a near break-even decision between a fold and a call when it's raised behind you (which it will be over 50% of the time IMO). I don't want to recalculate the pot odds, but I think I figured that with 7/38 cards being outs for you, you were just barely short of the direct odds to call and I think you lose more value from the times you're against JJJ, then you gain in the rare circumstances where weaker hands raise you. |
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