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Online 3/6.
EP is loose preflop, but not so loose postflop. BB is LAG 35/25/2.5 and goes to showdown a lot. EP limps, I raise A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], BB calls, EP calls. Flop: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Checked to me. Easy bet? Easy Check? I checked. Turn: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] BB bets, EP folds, and I?? |
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Hi Rico
My initial reaction is "bet the flop" and "fold the turn; if you wanted to fight over this small pot, you should have bet the flop." I'm not entirely sure about that anymore though. I like the idea of letting an aggressive player hang himself, but I'm not sure I like committing ourself to calling the river (which I think we're doing if we call the turn) when there are so many ugly river cards. -McGee |
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Aces:
[ QUOTE ] My initial reaction is "bet the flop" and "fold the turn; if you wanted to fight over this small pot, you should have bet the flop." I'm not entirely sure about that anymore though. [/ QUOTE ] This is kind of the quick debate I had at the time of the hand. Had I not been up against a LAG, I would bet. But that flop sucks so bad for my hand, I really question whether a bet here on this board is worth it. Sure, I could be ahead, which could certainly justify a bet, but even if I am ahead, I am getting outdrawn a huge % of the time. Also, my hand really can't take any heat on this board. If the LAG c/r, which is much more likely than him check folding imo, are we stuck folding the turn unimproved after putting in 2 bets on the flop? I guess in my mind, the bad outcomes of betting the flop (getting c/r, getting donked into on the turn afer not improving are much, much more likely than the good outcomes--like taking down the pot, everyone checking to me allowing me to SD for 1 more bet (either the turn or river), etc. I must assume my thinking is flawed since everyone wants to instabet the flop. And, btw, not much discussion on the turn..but I like my hand a bit better on that turn card, especially when EP folded. --Rico |
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I don't think there's anything wrong with checking the flop, since BB is a LAG and you're pretty sure he'll call. I just like the clean decision line of taking one stab on the flop and getting out of Dodge thereafter..
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If the LAG c/r, which is much more likely than him check folding imo, are we stuck folding the turn unimproved after putting in 2 bets on the flop? [/ QUOTE ] Well, if we're thinking about calling the turn after we've checked the flop through, then I would say no, we're not resigned to folding the turn after bet/calling the flop. In the LAP does have air, then we actually want him to checkraise the flop, right? -McGee |
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Well, if we're thinking about calling the turn after we've checked the flop through, then I would say no, we're not resigned to folding the turn after bet/calling the flop. [/ QUOTE ] But I am thinking of calling the turn b/c of that particular turn card (and the fact that ep folded)...which is quite nice. If ep doesn't fold, and or if I don't get a good card (which I would guess is upward of 25% of the time) I don't think I am calling a turn bet. I see what you are saying though. [ QUOTE ] In the LAP does have air, then we actually want him to checkraise the flop, right? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I guess if we are committed to showing down. But if he has a spade, I doubt we have much of an equity advantage vs him on the flop..with him have a 15 outs a large portion of the time. Combined with the fact that I don't see us getting to showdown if a non A or T spade falls--which may be my problem. I am really thinking about this from a perspective that I am going to have to put in way more than 1 bet on average on the flop vs. some hand that may or may not have me beat, in a smallish pot where I won't make it to showdown often. --Rico |
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is this fullring?
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i usually bet the flop (not always).
some of my flop play depends on 3rd level metagame - ill talk about this in Chapter 2 of my PB dissertation. |
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I think preflop is good obv. I think flop is somewhere between an easy bet and meh. The board is pretty terrible for us. I'm betting it against a blind and a loose EP limper. Perhaps their WTSDs could help us decide? The higher that is, the less likely we should be to bet. I think checking this flop would be better in say a 3 or 4 handed game where changeups/metagame can be good and they fold here less. I think we bet the flop to get them to fold a hand with outs to beat us and it will get us a free card at the turn we might need. As played I reckon this is an easy turn fold.
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i instabet that flop.
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