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Card flipped on accident... SOSA?
While the hand was being dealt, the SB accidentally flipped over one of his own cards. It landed face-up near the 10-seat, so not everybody saw it, and he quickly flipped it back over and joined it with his other card.
How does Show One Show All apply here? What's the dealer's obligation if she saw the card? If she didn't? |
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Re: Card flipped on accident... SOSA?
The dealer normally shows the card and announces it to the table, then turns it face down and dumps it in the muck.
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Re: Card flipped on accident... SOSA?
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The dealer normally shows the card and announces it to the table, then turns it face down and dumps it in the muck. [/ QUOTE ] Er, no. |
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Re: Card flipped on accident... SOSA?
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[ QUOTE ] The dealer normally shows the card and announces it to the table, then turns it face down and dumps it in the muck. [/ QUOTE ] Er, no. [/ QUOTE ] At, CAZ, the dealer will not let the player keep the card unless he is very sure that the player did it on purpose to get a better one. The exposed card is shown to the other players and is then used as the burn card. |
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Re: Card flipped on accident... SOSA?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The dealer normally shows the card and announces it to the table, then turns it face down and dumps it in the muck. [/ QUOTE ] Er, no. [/ QUOTE ] At, CAZ, the dealer will not let the player keep the card unless he is very sure that the player did it on purpose to get a better one. The exposed card is shown to the other players and is then used as the burn card. [/ QUOTE ] Seems like an angle-shooting paradise. If the card flips as the dealer is dealing it he gets a new one. The player does not get to look at the card, then "accidentally" flip it and get a new one. If the player had any chance of having seen the card prior to it flipping, he's SOL. Once saw a case where a card caught a little air on the way to the player and an edge lifted a bit. Player pauses and looks at the dealer and the dealer looks at the player with a "whatever you wanna do" look, then the player looks at the card he just got, and flips over a 4 saying "it was exposed--I want a new one". Nosireee! You decide BEFORE you look at it whether you want a new one. |
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Re: Card flipped on accident... SOSA?
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At, CAZ, the dealer will not let the player keep the card unless he is very sure that the player did it on purpose to get a better one. The exposed card is shown to the other players and is then used as the burn card. [/ QUOTE ] To clarify the RULE at CAZ: If the card is revealed through no fault of the player, then the card is exposed to all players and replaced. If revealed by fault of the player, they must keep the card, but they are NOT obligated to expose it any further. SOSA applies only when a card is intentionally exposed to another player. |
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Re: Card flipped on accident... SOSA?
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To clarify the RULE at CAZ: If the card is revealed through no fault of the player, then the card is exposed to all players and replaced. If revealed by fault of the player, they must keep the card, but they are NOT obligated to expose it any further. SOSA applies only when a card is intentionally exposed to another player. [/ QUOTE ] That's an unfair advantage to the person(s) who got to see the exposed card and have more information in the hand. Bad rule. SOSA. If the person(s) that saw it do not proceed in the hand, then SOSA would/should not be applied until the hand was over. |
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Re: Card flipped on accident... SOSA?
A strict interpretation of the SOSA rule would say the card has to be shown to everyone. What I usually see happening is if the guy quickly grabs his card after a fumble, nothing is done unless someone on the other end of the table wants to invoke SOSA.
The card is not replaced unless it it exposed during the deal (catches air or bounces off chips, etc...), and then it is used as the burn card for the flop. |
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Re: Card flipped on accident... SOSA?
I think there have been stories on 2p2 about people that had to play out a hand with one of their cards face up, but whenever I've seen someone accidentally expose their hand, no one has ever said anything about it.
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Re: Card flipped on accident... SOSA?
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[ QUOTE ] The dealer normally shows the card and announces it to the table, then turns it face down and dumps it in the muck. [/ QUOTE ] Er, no. [/ QUOTE ] Doh- you are right. I misread the OP- I thought the card flipped over as he was mucking it. Mea Culpa. |
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