KK vs calling station who got agressive

[prodonkey]

Villain is 54/5/1.4

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($50)
Hero ($88.85)
Button ($47.35)
SB ($81.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $9.5</font>,

hero ???

how often is KK going to be good here? He's never doing this with a flush draw in my opinion, he's the type that just calls if someone bets, but he will bet some really retarded crap if everyone checked.

[Nick C]

Crap, I hate these spots. Part of the reason that these flop min-raises are so annoying is that, while the play probably isn't really optimal very often, collectively the fish do employ it fairly well, so until you know what a specific fish's min-raises tend to mean, they're hard to deal with.

What I would do against this player, based on the read you have, is call and reevaluate on the turn, based on what falls and how much he bets. Frequently what's going to happen is that he's going to string me along with his goddamn J9o and I won't catch a K, 5 or a running pair. But at least I'll console myself that he gave me semi-reasonable odds with his small bets and I didn't really lose that much on the hand in the end.

(I mean, in SPR terms, he may end up only charging me an amount that would have seemed reasonable if that amount had been the effective remaining stacks on the flop. Or he may follow up his flop min-raise with a turn bomb that lets me make an agonizing fold.)

[prodonkey]

Ya I have a bad habit of shoving over the really bad players bets... when if i'm beat, usually they won't charge me nearly as much as it will by shoving.

[kroeliewoelie]

I doubt your up against AA, since AA would have raised preflop. Another possibility is a set, than you are destined to go broke anyway. Usually I think this is QJ,KJ,AJ or a flushdraw. I think I call and push a non-heart, non J,A turn. Otherwise, it's c/f for me.

[prodonkey]

ty for ignoring most of what i wrote.. he never does this with a flush draw or Jx

[corsakh]

Usual wtf spot. Need to know sample size since AF scales very badly. If he is a genuine 1.4, I think its a pretty easy fold.

[thac]

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ty for ignoring most of what i wrote.. he never does this with a flush draw or Jx

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So fold.

Edit - sorry for the one liner, but if he's not doing this with a FD or Jx, he probably has more than one pair, and we're at best 30% equity.

[Waingro]

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ty for ignoring most of what i wrote.. he never does this with a flush draw or Jx

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Why not Jx? He does look like a poster boy for players that over value top pair hands. I can´t imagine folding here, I 3bet to $23 and call a push.

[kurto]

There's actually a lot you can factor in to help... if you've been overly active even passive players will sometimes play back at you with hands weaker then your overpair. I know when I'm in this position I take into account recent activity in making my decision as to whether or not I think he's playing back light.

In general, I agree that these players often call down with simple one pair hands and draws. Though some will surprise you by unexpectedly playing their draws aggressively.

Note - these players are also the type to smoothcall a hand like QQ or AA and then raise you on the flop....

At any rate, its likely going to cost you two more streets of betting to find out if you're good. If you feel confident that a draw is most likely out of the question, then sets and two pairs are your most likely candidates and you can fold.