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Old 11-01-2007, 05:06 PM
Ringo Ringo is offline
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Imagine I'm sitting in a sailboat, and have a battery operated fan. I point the fan at the sails - will the boat move forward? What if the fan has an external power source?

Is that like pulling yourself up with your own shoelaces?
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Old 11-01-2007, 05:14 PM
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Imagine I'm sitting in a sailboat, and have a battery operated fan. I point the fan at the sails - will the boat move forward? What if the fan has an external power source?

Is that like pulling yourself up with your own shoelaces?

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it wouldn't work. the fan would push you backward more than forward. if you turned the fan around and pointed it behind you (like a fanboat) i think it would help you a bit.
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:08 PM
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Actually, it would work. There is force being generated on both sides of the fan, but on one side the sail is catching it, on the other side only minor air turbulence is there to resist the force.
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:16 PM
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Actually, it would work.

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incorrect
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:17 PM
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Question: how are you getting internet access if you're stranded on a sailboat?
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Old 11-02-2007, 11:13 AM
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Question: how are you getting internet access if you're stranded on a sailboat?

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At least he didn't ask OOT.

Stick the fan in the water like a propeller. Then you're set for home!
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Old 11-02-2007, 06:09 PM
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Stick the fan in the water like a propeller. Then you're set for home!

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INCORRECT!1
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Old 11-01-2007, 10:04 PM
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Actually, it would work. There is force being generated on both sides of the fan, but on one side the sail is catching it, on the other side only minor air turbulence is there to resist the force.

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the fan is pushing the air forward. you're pushing the fan forward. the boat is pushing the bottoms of your feet forward. you're pushing the boat backward just as hard as the fan is pushing forward on the air. that's how you stay on the boat (see: newton's 3rd law of motion).

so in order to have a net forward force, the air has to push on the sail harder than the fan is pushing on the air. you're never going to get 100% of that kinetic energy from the fan to the air back into the sail.

the boat is going backwards.
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:00 AM
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i read through that whole airplane thread, huge waste of time IMO. the answer was clearly that the plane can't possibly take off given the conditions, and it took 15 pages of posts before OP finally clarified that the plane only takes off if you bend the conditions.
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Old 11-02-2007, 05:04 AM
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Sephus has won this thread.
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