Calling down w/middle pair

[ssmallz]

Villain here is fairly aggro (40/20) and I haven't seen him do much to get totally outta line.

I open w/JdTd UTG, Villain in CO calls as down BB

Flop K64r

I bet villain calls BB folds

Turn Jc putting 2 clubs on the board.

I bet villain raises, I call. Villain range could be Kx, Jx and semibluffing a flush draw so I'm not totally convinced I'm behind when he raises the turn.

River Kh

I c/c.

Standard?

[admiralfluff]

What is he cold calling with preflop? Does he peel the flop super light? After he calls preflop, I assume he will usually raise the flop. I often c/f flop against these guys here. I don't like the turn b/c. If I can't b/f this turn, I'd much rather c/c (If I'm worried he could be semibluff/bluff raising too often to fold to a raise, he'll usually bet when checked to).

[ssmallz]

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What is he cold calling with preflop? Does he peel the flop super light? After he calls preflop, I assume he will usually raise the flop. I often c/f flop against these guys here. I don't like the turn b/c. If I can't b/f this turn, I'd much rather c/c (If I'm worried he could be semibluff/bluff raising too often to fold to a raise, he'll usually bet when checked to).

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Checking that flop is a mistake b/c I take it down UI often enough to make it +EV. On top of that checking makes me look way to predictable. What would you do w/AK here? K64r is also a great flop to bet at b/c its as unlikely to hit the other hands as it is to hit mine. I don't really have a range of his cold calling hands b/c well, he's likely to have a wide range. I think he cold calls w/a lot of Ax, Kx, Qx Jx and PP type hands.

C/Cing the turn was the debate I was having when I made this post. I was afraid of letting my opponent draw very cheaply b/c he could def have Ax, Qx, various gutters and flush draws.

[vmacosta]

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What is he cold calling with preflop? Does he peel the flop super light? After he calls preflop, I assume he will usually raise the flop. I often c/f flop against these guys here. I don't like the turn b/c. If I can't b/f this turn, I'd much rather c/c (If I'm worried he could be semibluff/bluff raising too often to fold to a raise, he'll usually bet when checked to).

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Checking that flop is a mistake b/c I take it down UI often enough to make it +EV. On top of that checking makes me look way to predictable. What would you do w/AK here? K64r is also a great flop to bet at b/c its as unlikely to hit the other hands as it is to hit mine. I don't really have a range of his cold calling hands b/c well, he's likely to have a wide range. I think he cold calls w/a lot of Ax, Kx, Qx Jx and PP type hands.

C/Cing the turn was the debate I was having when I made this post. I was afraid of letting my opponent draw very cheaply b/c he could def have Ax, Qx, various gutters and flush draws.

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Most agro 40/20 guys who cc'ed pf will call if they hit a K and raise otherwise. I've basically never seen them fold. If you turn the K into an A, you have a shot at taking this down UI, but otherwise I think I'm with admiral.

[gehrig]

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What is he cold calling with preflop? Does he peel the flop super light? After he calls preflop, I assume he will usually raise the flop. I often c/f flop against these guys here. I don't like the turn b/c. If I can't b/f this turn, I'd much rather c/c (If I'm worried he could be semibluff/bluff raising too often to fold to a raise, he'll usually bet when checked to).

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Checking that flop is a mistake b/c I take it down UI often enough to make it +EV. On top of that checking makes me look way to predictable. What would you do w/AK here? K64r is also a great flop to bet at b/c its as unlikely to hit the other hands as it is to hit mine. I don't really have a range of his cold calling hands b/c well, he's likely to have a wide range. I think he cold calls w/a lot of Ax, Kx, Qx Jx and PP type hands.

C/Cing the turn was the debate I was having when I made this post. I was afraid of letting my opponent draw very cheaply b/c he could def have Ax, Qx, various gutters and flush draws.

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Most agro 40/20 guys who cc'ed pf will call if they hit a K and raise otherwise.

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gee i cant think of a way to exploit this!

[Hoi Polloi]

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On top of that checking makes me look way to predictable.

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Not sure I get this. How does an isolated turn check make you predictable? Never checking the turn makes you unpredictable? Or are you concerned with looking predictable, and, if so, why?

[ssmallz]

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On top of that checking makes me look way to predictable.

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Not sure I get this. How does an isolated turn check make you predictable? Never checking the turn makes you unpredictable? Or are you concerned with looking predictable, and, if so, why?

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Its not so much the isolated check that makes me look predictable, its this check in conjunction with how I've been playing the rest of my hands. I really don't want him to think that when I bet the flop and check the turn I don't have top pair. If he thinks that, he will fold a lot more turns correctly and bet a lot more turns when I check even when he has complete air. On top of that, he will also start calling my flop bet more often b/c he feels he can take the pot away from me on the turn.

[joker122]

"What is he cold calling with preflop? "

he's 40/20. so alot. and he's peeling with alot too. c/fing this flop is laughable.

[malorum]

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Standard?

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Yes

[danzasmack]

This line is fine but why is betting the turn better than check/calling the turn?

Does he have clubs? Most of these guys raise the flop with clubs, no? Does he ever take a free card here?

I'm asking, not telling.