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#1
07-25-2006, 01:44 PM
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fun lil clusterf%#@ @ foxwoods 1-2 nl.
1-2 nl at foxwoods
utg raises to 7 (invitation raise [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]), 3 call to me i call sb goes all in for 18 total, call call call call 4 to the flop k87 flop utg raiser bets 6 [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] call call i call old guy behind me (on button) makes it 20 to go all fold besides young mp caller 2 live to the turn, 1 player all in. 7 turn young guy checks old guy- bets 65 young guy tanks for about 2 minutes and calls. 8 river young guy checks old guy "i'm all in" young guy tanks again young guy, "ALRIGHT YOU GOT ME" and flips his KJ faceup in the middle of the table while standing up and looking disoriented... chatty dealer scoops kj facedown and slides it into the muck. someone asks what the dealer was doing since the young guy "called"..... table erupts in confusion.... notes. young guy had about 80% of his stack in by the river, so i can't really see him folding that far in... some players at the table heard him say, "I call, you got me", others merely heard "alright you got me" once old guy sees that the hand might be declared live, he gets pretty upset because it looked like a fold (and he was clearly showing that KJ was indeed good) young guy never moved chips forward floor comes over and gathers all this information young guys hand 
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#3
07-25-2006, 01:53 PM
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Re: fun lil clusterf%#@ @ foxwoods 1-2 nl.
If the kid tabled his hand face up = live cards.
If he threw it into muck even face up = cards are dead. Cards speak. You can say anything, cards speak.
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#4
07-25-2006, 03:08 PM
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Re: fun lil clusterf%#@ @ foxwoods 1-2 nl.
this is ignorant. cards speak my ass. player better speak up and call or fold. cards speak IF player calls. Idiot with KJ can speak up or phuk him and the chips he should've been stacking.
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#5
07-25-2006, 03:13 PM
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Re: fun lil clusterf%#@ @ foxwoods 1-2 nl.
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this is ignorant. cards speak my ass. player better speak up and call or fold. cards speak IF player calls. Idiot with KJ can speak up or phuk him and the chips he should've been stacking. [/ QUOTE ] Does following the cards speak rule of poker which has presumably been around longer than you've been alive violate your sense of justice? Why is it some of you want the rules to not be followed just because you don't like the way somebody at the table behaves?
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#6
07-25-2006, 04:51 PM
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Re: fun lil clusterf%#@ @ foxwoods 1-2 nl.
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[ QUOTE ] this is ignorant. cards speak my ass. player better speak up and call or fold. cards speak IF player calls. Idiot with KJ can speak up or phuk him and the chips he should've been stacking. [/ QUOTE ] Does following the cards speak rule of poker which has presumably been around longer than you've been alive violate your sense of justice? Why is it some of you want the rules to not be followed just because you don't like the way somebody at the table behaves? [/ QUOTE ] In the 40 years I've been playing cards and using the phrase "cards speak" it has never had anything to do with calling or raising or anything except that when the bettting is done and the cards are turned face up the best hand wins regardless of what a player says his hand is. Most common use is your drunk friend yelling out he has a straight, but unfortunately it is only 4 cards long....but his flush wins.....
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#7
07-25-2006, 05:07 PM
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Re: fun lil clusterf%#@ @ foxwoods 1-2 nl.
you guys all know that dynasty has played professionally in vegas for the last 2.5 yrs, right? there are some retarded responses in this thread
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#8
07-25-2006, 05:21 PM
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Re: fun lil clusterf%#@ @ foxwoods 1-2 nl.
Exactly. Folding face up is not a call, and the "cards speak" rule has absolutely no bearing on whether this was a call or not.
The factors to take into consideration are: - his verbal declaration (unclear, probably lean towards indicating fold) - the position of his cards (again unclear, but probably leaning toward a face-up fold) - him getting up and not immediately looking to see what the other guy had (unclear) - not protecting his cards I think he folded.
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#9
07-26-2006, 04:41 PM
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Re: fun lil clusterf%#@ @ foxwoods 1-2 nl.
the player still has to call you moron. I guess I can see if my hand wins first before I commit any chips. "dealer, is my KJ any good? Yes? Ok I call , ship it" . Better know the rules before you open your mouth .
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#10
07-26-2006, 05:40 PM
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Re: fun lil clusterf%#@ @ foxwoods 1-2 nl.
I'm actually at a loss, here.
If the player had called, hand should be live as it is a tabled hand. That's pretty obvious. If the player had not yet acted, established rules and practices contradict each other and therefore a judgement call is required. The player lost control of his hand before the showdown and therefore in general it is dead. However, the player is closing the action, his hand can be reconstructed, and his action will have no consequence on the action of other players. Therefore he should get the chance to act, because his intent is actually not easy to discern. I would probably rule the hand live but warn the player against this sort of thing in the future because it is disruptive to the game.
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