PNL & the Jocks vs Nerds issue

[phydaux]

I'd like to start this thread by thanking Matt, Sunny & Ed for the excelent job they did on Professional No Limit. I'm looking forward to vol 2.

In other threads, many people have commented on what they want to see in vol 2. Several posters have stated that they would like to see vol 2 focus entirely on 6-max.

This is an extention on the whole 6-max vs FR issue, or what I have dubbed "the Jocks vs the Nerds." Some people don't like my name for the issue. All I have to say is that some people commenting one way or the other show far less maturity than I would expect from a typicle high school kid.

Vol I of PNL is excellent. Great job, guys. You have provided a framework for thinking about NL problems that readers can apply to any NL situation.

Now, you have stated that you have much more in you, much more that can be said about NL hold'em that currently just doesn't appear in print anywhere. I'm going to ask you guys to please keep going on the track you're going. Include as much broad spectrum information in vol II as you can.

And then, I'm going to plead with you to do an entire book dedicated to 6-max.

I'm asking this mostly as a FR player, not a 6-max player. I'd prefer PNL vol II to be a more general book, devoted to principles that apply to all NL situations rather than situations that only arrise on a 6-max table.

However, I do recognise that most pro cash game players play 6-max, since it offers them the greatest oportunity to outplay weak players after the flop when the mistakes are most expensive. Therefore, 6-max really does deserve in depth treatment. And I belive, after reading PNL vol I, that you guys are eminently qualified to address this huge gap in poker litrature.

[Gelford]

At a full table the players preflop edge is very big, so play becomes more player dependent and this more demanding and fun

- Aba20 (my wording from memory)

It is one game whether you play short of full, shorthanded players have a tendency to get easily bored at full tables as there is less room to operate on.

But you are right, the book should be on NL hold'em not NL hold'em with six players seated or something like that.

Still I like Matt and Sunny to have a shorthanded focus as I feel Sklanky has the market cornered on limping say 77 in mp and checking three streets to extract after flopping top set advice.

[binions]

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I feel Sklanky has the market cornered on limping say 77 in mp and checking three streets to extract after flopping top set advice.

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LMAO

[phydaux]

Not entirely sure what that quote has to do with my OP, but thanks, Gel, for driving home the "Jocks vs Nerds" point for me.

I think I saw one of the kids from the school band behind the library. Why don't you go make fun of his tuba?

[Gelford]

Heh Phy, those 6-max games must have scared you [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]



But I predict that in 3-6 months time, you'll grow bored of full ring and will be back crushing [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[cjk73]

Let me also toss my vote in for volume two to NOT be focused on 6 max. I agree, there is certainly a market for 6-max books and who better to write one then the folks that have brought us the outstanding work in PNL Volume 1, however, please, please do it outside of the PNL series. A chapter, sure makes sense, but I do think it would hurt the series to dedicate the entire volume 2 to such a specific area. Almost like if Harrington dedicated volume two to turbo rebuys or something.

[Pov]

No comment on Jocks vs. Nerds, but I definitely support keeping Vol. 2 general as opposed to a having a 6-max focus. As a B&M player, I find myself in both full and short games all the time and I am much more likely to purchase a book covering either full or both full and short than a book that's only good for me after 3am. Thanks for listening.

[Matt Flynn]

Hi from Chester, California.

On vacation here at Lake Almanor with no internet access at the house, only at the coffee shops in town. (Coffee Station for any locals out there.}

I think of it as "Will this hand be profitable? If so, how should I play it to maximize profit?" That concept applies from 2 to 9 opponents. In general, in 6-max, you have less chance of running into AA-QQ, more aggression preflop with wider ranges, and a little more aggression postflop, with some players going nuts. So, you adapt. In general, you still want position, you will get all-in more often on average than with FR, variance goes up, and the temptation to spew and be inappropriately hyperaggro goes up for some people.

The question with 6-max is specifically adapting to the differences. REM and SPR offer a start. I'll write more about specific adaptation to 6-max in volume 2 unless Sunny beats me to the chapter. Hopefully that will be helpful.

I here the generalists loud and clear, and the 6-maxists. What would be more interesting to me is a book on Adapting, not just to 6-max but to any game.

Matt

[NickMPK]

First....I haven't read PNL yet. I preordered from Amazon but no sign of shipping yet.

But I would almost certain buy PNL Vol. 2 if it is not 6-max specific. If it was just about 6-max, I would almost certainly NOT buy it.

This is for the simple reason that 6-max has no application to the games that I play in, which are in casinos. I have yet to find a 6-max game spread in cash games or tournaments.

I hope the authors realize that whatever the title of their book, most of the people who will buy the book are not professional players, and really do not intend to become professional players. Certain, most professional players will be interested in this book, but they will be far outnumbered by the people who just play recreationally (either live or online), and who are not about to seek out a new game just because their might be more money in it for those willing to put serious study in.

[Senator7]

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First....I haven't read PNL yet. I preordered from Amazon but no sign of shipping yet.

But I would almost certain buy PNL Vol. 2 if it is not 6-max specific. If it was just about 6-max, I would almost certainly NOT buy it.

This is for the simple reason that 6-max has no application to the games that I play in, which are in casinos. I have yet to find a 6-max game spread in cash games or tournaments.

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Agree 100%.