How is my Line, TPTK FD?

Ryfe Ender · #1 01-22-2007, 09:30 PM

Not too much info on the Villian, but been playing about 40% VPIP since I got to the table.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($93.40)
CO ($74)
Button ($175.30)
SB ($100.50)
BB ($83.20)
UTG ($129.35)
UTG+1 ($105.25)
Hero ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, Hero calls $1, 3 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($4) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $1, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $5, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to $15, Hero raises to $45, SB folds, UTG+1 raises to $118.25, Hero calls $54 (All-In).

jk3a · #2 01-22-2007, 09:33 PM

looks good although you probably got it in against a set or 67. I would generally call his $15 dollar bet here, but getting it all-in is certainly ok.

Ryfe Ender · #3 01-22-2007, 09:36 PM

Ok, so getting it AI is ok.

So after you make the 15 call, what happens if you miss on the turn and he fires? fold I assume yeah?

Etric · #4 01-23-2007, 02:40 AM

I don't like getting it all in on this flop without a read. This would be good against an overpair, but without a read that villain will go to the felt with any overpair I would not like to get all my money in against a likely set.

Against an overpair, we are ahead 57.7% to 42.3%
Against a set we are behind 38.4% to 61.6%.

Are we up against a non-set half the time? I don't know, but I don't think so.

I would either raise to $4 or just call the $1.

Usually I find that these people have some draw when they underbet the pot like that, and we are getting the right odds to draw to the flush, without even taking the implied odds into account.

If the flush gets there and he has a flush draw, he is getting stacked. If he has a straight, we will just have to hope that our flush comes in and he'll call out bet if it hits; however it is unlikely he called in EP with 76; he might possibly have A2s.

If he has a set, he is probably losing a lot of money, plus we have 3 additional outs vs a set (the deuces). If he has an overpair like 88 we have trips/2pair outs as well; plus he might give us a free card on the turn if an overcard falls. If he is just bluffing with some overcards, he might continue to bluff on the turn.

If I raised on the flop, I would likely semibluff on the turn as well, assuming it was checked to me.

Cry Me A River · #5 01-23-2007, 02:53 AM

Know what? I like calling the $1 flop bet. With so many players in the hand, you avoid folding out TJ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. If you hit your flush, you're going to stack weaker flushes an awfull lot. You're also going to hose sets/straights pretty good as well 'cuz these guys don't fold big hands so well. And if an overcard [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] hits, you may stack TP hands too.

And if you don't hit, you get away from the hand cheaply. By just calling you get most of the upside of getting it all-in on the flop and little of the downside.

Heads-up I'd be more inclined to reraise the flop, but multiway I'd like to keep as many potential customers as possible particularly if you have reads other players are loose, calling stations.

Jurrr · #6 01-23-2007, 05:15 AM

Calling $1 or raising to $5 are both alright. I would hopefully call the $15 bet as I think the combination of small-bet/reraise is a set or straight and I don't think you have the pot odds to push.

ImsaKidd · #7 01-23-2007, 02:52 AM

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Ok, so getting it AI is ok.

So after you make the 15 call, what happens if you miss on the turn and he fires? fold I assume yeah?

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Against this guy, I think a call is fine. He has shown that he can underbet pots. So you have an extra shot to hit your outs if he gives you pot odds.

If you're gonna get AI, I shove over the 15.