Nut flush, ugly river.

[TimmY222]

Villain is a LAG tard pre-flop,lower aggression post-flop, i dont have the numbers on him right now.
I guess maybe 3-bettin/folding pre is a better option?
As played, do i call this river? i think bet/fold is bad here and villain is more passive post-flop so i figured he would not bluff this river or value bet anything but a house, but im getting infinity to 1 on my call.

flop, turn ok?


Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $9.45
Hero (SB): $15
BB: $14.30
UTG: $14.95

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $0.40</font>, Hero calls $0.35, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.20) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $0.60</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.30</font>, BB calls $1.70

Turn: ($5.80) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.70</font>, BB calls $4.70

River: ($15.20) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $2.30</font>, Hero ???

[Micro Donk]

fold preflop

river, why is it so bad? quite possible he made trips. you only have around 8 left just shove it in the first time. as played shove it in now

[You're No Daisy]

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fold preflop

river, why is it so bad? quite possible he made trips. you only have around 8 left just shove it in the first time. as played shove it in now

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Normally I'd fold preflop with a suited Ace in the SB too. However, I'm mixing it up 80% folds and 20% calls. Against really loose/aggressive players PF I will typically call and see what kind of flop I get. I used to call anything reasonable in the SB if I had a suited Ace, but I looked at my PT stats and discovered it was a major leak. So the 80/20 thing has worked out well for me. Obviously these situations are very player dependent.

AC

[TimmY222]

I call with Axs in the blinds from a steal like never. the reason i did it in this spot is that button is loose and bad, but after thinking over what pokey said it kinda confirmed what i was thinking. it's no good. even against an clueless opponent.

[You're No Daisy]

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I call with Axs in the blinds from a steal like never. the reason i did it in this spot is that button is loose and bad, but after thinking over what pokey said it kinda confirmed what i was thinking. it's no good. even against an clueless opponent.

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Like I said in my previous post, against a LAGtard preflop, I will call a reasonably raise (i.e. 4xBB or less). Anything over 4xBB I'm folding.

AC

[Pokey]

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Like I said in my previous post, against a LAGtard preflop, I will call a reasonably raise (i.e. 4xBB or less). Anything over 4xBB I'm folding.


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From what I've seen, smooth-calling lagtards is really EXACTLY what they want: you figure you can play a "wait and see" game, but they're better at "push you out" than you are at "wait and see." You've got A9s and the flop comes Q94r; how happy are you about your hand? Or the flop is A76r and villain bets or raises hard -- now what? You might be getting muscled out (in fact, you often are) but you might be up against a real hand. Villain is in position and he knows your hand much better than you know his -- if the money all winds up in the middle, you're likely to lose. This is a "win a small pot, lose a big one" RIO (reverse implied odds) situation. By smooth-calling with a mediocre hand you really set yourself up for disaster postflop.

In these situations -- in fact, in blind-stealing situations in general -- I've started smooth-calling VERY rarely. I'll smooth-call a smaller pocket pair if I'm overcalling: that gives me the padding I need to set-mine. However, if everybody folds to me, I'm usually going to either three-bet or fold. I'll dump most hands but if I'm playing it, I'm playing it to the BONE. This puts the lagtard in a very unpleasant situation -- he's stealing the blinds very often, but when he gets resistance he knows he's up against something very unpleasant. He either autofolds, and you scoop with your hand uncontested (not a bad outcome from the blinds) or he calls and has to play a VERY big pot with a hand that can't stand up to the heat. If I three-bet preflop I'm intending to lead any flop for about 2/3rds of the pot -- I find I win the pot with that bet much more than half the time. If I'm reraised I'm either all-in on the flop or folding, depending on this circumstances.

Smooth-calling out of position against a loose and aggressive opponent is just not a profitable situation with any hand but the very strongest. With KK/AA you might consider occasionally trapping with a "call, check-call, check-call, check-raise" strategy, but as a general rule I'm either hitting back or running away preflop.

[Schiester]

Hand looks fine. I think this is a worse flush often enough for you to call ~1/8th of the pot.

If he's filled up, take note of the bet sizing for later reference.

[TimmY222]

micro donk, you realize the river makes any J or 5 a full house?

[Pokey]

I hate the preflop action. You can't play fit-or-fold OOP against an aggressive opponent, especially when you're this short-handed. Your choices are simple -- three-bet or fold. If you're not confident enough to play this postflop then let it go and move on; there's no shame in folding a drawing hand to a raise when you're likely to be heads-up and out of position, (especially when your opponent is aggressive). Alternatively, you can three-bet big and hope to take it down immediately or on the flop, knowing that you're basically just bluffing a bluffer. Sure, your hand might be best even if you don't improve, but that showdown is a LONG ways away, and you're not likely to win there if you don't hit.

Personally, I'd play this to the bone and reraise preflop, bombing any flop as well. LAGs usually let it go at that point unless they've improved.

As played, the flop action looks pretty good to me, though you should realize that you are raising to win immediately. If BB's bet had been larger then a large-but-not-all-in checkraise would probably be a mistake. You're basically hoping that BB is weak and folds immediately. If he doesn't, then your bet disguises your true hand if you hit well on the turn, but beyond that it doesn't help much. Your best bet is for BB to fold, and when he doesn't you should be disappointed.

The turn is a good card and your bet looks fine to me. You want action and you want your river push to be an easy crying call for any weaker hands, and this bet gets that job done.

The river sucks for you. Given that your opponent is loose and aggressive leading is probably a mistake, since he'll fold any hand that you beat and he'll push with any hand that beats you (and an occasional bluff that you'll hate calling). Checking induces bluffs, and that's a much better option for you, because when you check-and-call you're far more likely to be ahead than when you bet-and-get-called. Given how small this bet was I'm thinking he's either VERY weak, VERY strong and hoping for a raise, or VERY strong and hoping to extract a bit of extra cash. In any case, raising is suicide and folding is a huge mistake (considering the pot odds). Make your crying call, expect to lose, and occasionally take down a pot that is so big that it justifies your other losses.

[TimmY222]

pokey [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
great post! I do realize I'm hoping that BB folds on the flop, but if he calls and i hit i have a bigger pot to work with, and get more money in. I was pushing any river that was not the jack.

What do you think his range is on the river? besides a jack or a flush? could he valuebet AA-QQ here? I am positive that he wouldnt. I doubt he would have valubet a flush even. so this really comes down to a bluff or the relative nuts?
I can't see a made hand he could turn in to bluff here, he's pretty bad