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$400nl: 300bb deep with top pair vs. possibly tilting villain
history: I have position on villain, and have really been pushing him around all session. I've been 3 betting him a lot, and postflop bullying him pretty hard. He's been pretty passive for the most part. Here is one decent sized pot that I went to showdown with him on:
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG: $710 Hero (BTN): $1,694.20 SB: $134 BB: $462.20 Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) <font color="red">UTG raises to $14</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $48</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $34 Flop: ($102) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $65</font>, UTG calls $65 Turn: ($232) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG checks, Hero checks River: ($232) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $155</font>, UTG calls $155 Results: $542 Pot ($2 Rake) UTG mucked 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Sevens) and LOST (-$268 NET) Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Jacks) and WON $540 (+$272 NET) we haven't been involved in many big pots, he usually gives it up early to me. here's the hand: Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BB: $409.70 UTG: $400 MP: $1,232.30 Hero (CO): $2,314.90 BTN: $384 SB: $1,792.80 Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $14</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $48</font>, 3 folds, MP calls $34 Flop: ($102) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $65</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $210</font>, Hero calls $145 Turn: ($522) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">MP bets $275</font>, Hero calls $275 River: ($1,072) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) MP checks, Hero ??? I think this is the first time he's raised a cbet from me. Again, he's been pretty passive, so this is unusual for him. I call because I think he's getting fed up with me pushing him around. On the turn, he bets the A, which I can't really put him on a lot here because if he did hit the turn, I really think he might check since he's been super passive so far. He could have an A if he was just making a play on the flop, but I didn't believe him. He could have a set here. The river, he checks, and I don't think he has an A here, he obv doesn't have a set now. I don't know whether I should turn my hand into a bluff, and possibly push off JJ/QQ, or check behind and hope my hand is good. Thoughts? |
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Re: $400nl: 300bb deep with top pair vs. possibly tilting villain
Fold the flop. Now check and expect to lose a lot.
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Re: $400nl: 300bb deep with top pair vs. possibly tilting villain
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Fold the flop. Now check and expect to lose a lot. [/ QUOTE ] i don't think we can fold this flop given how drawy it is |
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Re: $400nl: 300bb deep with top pair vs. possibly tilting villain
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[ QUOTE ] Fold the flop. Now check and expect to lose a lot. [/ QUOTE ] i don't think we can fold this flop given how drawy it is [/ QUOTE ] Your equity sucks against his range (even on a drawy board) and you've got bad reverse implied odds. It's more than OK to fold that flop. |
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Re: $400nl: 300bb deep with top pair vs. possibly tilting villain
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Fold the flop. Now check and expect to lose a lot. [/ QUOTE ] i don't think we can fold this flop given how drawy it is [/ QUOTE ] Your equity sucks against his range (even on a drawy board) and you've got bad reverse implied odds. It's more than OK to fold that flop. [/ QUOTE ] + hes passive |
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Re: $400nl: 300bb deep with top pair vs. possibly tilting villain
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Fold the flop. Now check and expect to lose a lot. [/ QUOTE ] i don't think we can fold this flop given how drawy it is [/ QUOTE ] Your equity sucks against his range (even on a drawy board) and you've got bad reverse implied odds. It's more than OK to fold that flop. [/ QUOTE ] you're probly right. i really just had a feeling he was playing back here since i'd been bullying him, but probably not enough to justify my call. |
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Re: $400nl: 300bb deep with top pair vs. possibly tilting villain
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Fold the flop. Now check and expect to lose a lot. [/ QUOTE ] i don't think we can fold this flop given how drawy it is [/ QUOTE ] Your equity sucks against his range (even on a drawy board) and you've got bad reverse implied odds. It's more than OK to fold that flop. [/ QUOTE ] you're probly right. i really just had a feeling he was playing back here since i'd been bullying him, but probably not enough to justify my call. [/ QUOTE ] It's a mistake that a lot of people do. I do it myself all the time. We're like "it's a drawy board; I'm probably good, so I call" but that's pretty poor logic. The first reason is that it's probably an -EV call on its own, but you also jack up your variance for no reason whatsoever; Am sure you've heard that you don't usually wanna make huge calls where you're either a huge underdog or a coinflip. This is one of those cases. Exercise discipline and fold that flop. Let your opponents make the mistake of calling in these spots. Profit. Edit: Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 43,560 games 0.005 secs 8,712,000 games/sec Board: Ts 7s 2c Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 24.241% 23.73% 00.51% 10338 221.50 { Td8d } Hand 1: 75.759% 75.25% 00.51% 32779 221.50 { TT+, 77, 22, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, KsQs, QsJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 6s5s } Is his assigned range too tight there? |
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Re: $400nl: 300bb deep with top pair vs. possibly tilting villain
i am very confused.
he is passive and yet you put tons of money in with TPNK, then put more in when it became 2nd pair. |
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Re: $400nl: 300bb deep with top pair vs. possibly tilting villain
dude, check behind
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Re: $400nl: 300bb deep with top pair vs. possibly tilting villain
fold flop and turn, and give up now
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