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Old 10-24-2007, 08:00 PM
dregal dregal is offline
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Default Mehhhh - in which I fold an overpair on a dry boad (FT 200 NL)

Villian is Surr3al1ty for you FT regs. Loose/passive and kinda bad reg at 100 & 200 NL. Calls 3bets too lightly OOP (small PP and Kqo for ex) and seems generally passive post flop. I have him at 26/14/1.4 over 2500 hands. BB is a huge donk running at 58/21, so I imagine villian can be calling pf a bit lighter due to this.

Hero should be viewed as tight/solid.

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $146.90
UTG: $228.15
MP: $185
CO: $323.35
Hero (BTN): $200
SB: $220.55

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, SB calls $6, BB calls $5

Flop: ($21) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $14</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $46</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $32

Turn: ($113) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $167.55 and is All-In</font>, Hero folds

Results: $113 Pot ($3 Rake)
SB mucked and WON $110 (+$57 NET)
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Old 10-24-2007, 08:16 PM
Andykay Andykay is offline
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Default Re: Mehhhh - in which I fold an overpair on a dry boad (FT 200 NL)

I'd like it better if it the board wasn't paired and this low. Like 852. In this spot, I think you find a lot of people with the villain's description showing up with JJ-88, since they don't tend to reraise too lightly PF and there's only 44 and a handful of 2x hands that he can have that beat us.

That said it probably isn't a huge mistake either way because he definitely has a boat or a deuce here sometimes.

-Andy
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Old 10-24-2007, 08:21 PM
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Default Re: Mehhhh - in which I fold an overpair on a dry boad (FT 200 NL)

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I'd like it better if it the board wasn't paired and this low. Like 852. In this spot, I think you find a lot of people with the villain's description showing up with JJ-88 , since they don't tend to reraise too lightly PF and there's only 44 and a handful of 2x hands that he can have that beat us.

That said it probably isn't a huge mistake either way because he definitely has a boat or a deuce here sometimes.

-Andy

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This is pretty much what I am wondering. Does someone like this turn 99/1010 into a bluff here? Or does he think he is value shoving?

Also, does the overbet shove mean anything (i.e do you play diff if he bets like $80 on the turn)?

I forgot to mention in OP, but he insta shoved the turn.
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Old 10-24-2007, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: Mehhhh - in which I fold an overpair on a dry boad (FT 200 NL)

Surreality is passive? I've always seem him as pretty aggro. I like 17 on the flop and I don't think I can fold.
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Old 10-24-2007, 08:25 PM
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Default Re: Mehhhh - in which I fold an overpair on a dry boad (FT 200 NL)

hate this fold. if he has 55 he flats flop cos of donk in BB, prob same as a 2. plus the overbet turn looks more like a medium pair to me
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Old 10-24-2007, 08:40 PM
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Default Re: Mehhhh - in which I fold an overpair on a dry boad (FT 200 NL)

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I'd like it better if it the board wasn't paired and this low. Like 852. In this spot, I think you find a lot of people with the villain's description showing up with JJ-88 , since they don't tend to reraise too lightly PF and there's only 44 and a handful of 2x hands that he can have that beat us.

That said it probably isn't a huge mistake either way because he definitely has a boat or a deuce here sometimes.

-Andy

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This is pretty much what I am wondering. Does someone like this turn 99/1010 into a bluff here? Or does he think he is value shoving?

Also, does the overbet shove mean anything (i.e do you play diff if he bets like $80 on the turn)?

I forgot to mention in OP, but he insta shoved the turn.

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Plenty of villains will value-town JJ-99 or thereabouts here.

Exactly what sort of flop are you hoping for to get KK in with?

222?

-Andy
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Old 10-24-2007, 08:50 PM
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Default Re: Mehhhh - in which I fold an overpair on a dry boad (FT 200 NL)

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I'd like it better if it the board wasn't paired and this low. Like 852. In this spot, I think you find a lot of people with the villain's description showing up with JJ-88 , since they don't tend to reraise too lightly PF and there's only 44 and a handful of 2x hands that he can have that beat us.

That said it probably isn't a huge mistake either way because he definitely has a boat or a deuce here sometimes.

-Andy

[/ QUOTE ]

This is pretty much what I am wondering. Does someone like this turn 99/1010 into a bluff here? Or does he think he is value shoving?

Also, does the overbet shove mean anything (i.e do you play diff if he bets like $80 on the turn)?

I forgot to mention in OP, but he insta shoved the turn.

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Plenty of villains will value-town JJ-99 or thereabouts here.

Exactly what sort of flop are you hoping for to get KK in with?

222?

-Andy

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Heh...I am usually happy to get it in on this type of board. I'm just used to being the aggressor when I do. He c'rd a super dry flop and shoved the turn...I got scurred of a monster [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 10-24-2007, 08:51 PM
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Default Re: Mehhhh - in which I fold an overpair on a dry boad (FT 200 NL)

If he can get you to fold KK, I'd do it too.
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Old 10-24-2007, 08:16 PM
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Default Re: Mehhhh - in which I fold an overpair on a dry boad (FT 200 NL)

ohh hell no
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Old 10-24-2007, 08:18 PM
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Default Re: Mehhhh - in which I fold an overpair on a dry boad (FT 200 NL)

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ohh hell no

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Oh, well that explains it.
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