Comm 40: KK vs Gabe and a donk

[ShawnHoo]

Great game last night. The only tough spot is 2+2'er Gabe, a solid and aggressive pro.

Gabe and I have really only tangled once tonight. He raised in LP and I 3-bet out of the BB with black QQ. He called my bet on a J-high board and raised the turn (I think there was a heart draw on the turn; Gabe, correct me if I'm wrong). I called the raise and a river bet and he conceded the hand (like an idiot, I showed my hand).

Anyway, Gabe raises in early position and I 3-bet in the HJ/CO with KK. A passive bad player calls in the BB, Gabe caps. I don't recall having seen him cap before. I call.

Flop: QJ6r

Check, Gabe bets, I call, BB calls.

Turn: blank

Check, Gabe bets, I call, BB calls.

River: Q

Check, Gabe bets, I call.

Thoughts on all streets appreciated.

[daveT]

I like it. Either you are beat, or letting Gabe bluff a brick. Eithe way, it lets you win the most, lose the least. Classic WAWB.

[mike l.]

"letting Gabe bluff a brick"

i know gabe well and he's never bluffing here. there's either a slim chance of a chop or youre destroyed, so hero needs to fold the river, possibly the turn.

[Entity]

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"letting Gabe bluff a brick"

i know gabe well and he's never bluffing here. there's either a slim chance of a chop or youre destroyed, so hero needs to fold the river, possibly the turn.

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I guess Gabe could be smart enough to bluff w/KK here, no? I guess that makes it closer but I still doubt enough so to call given you'd be chopping.
Rob

[mike l.]

"I guess Gabe could be smart enough to bluff w/KK here, no?"

there's no real reason for gabe to know that shawn has a big hand too. he should suspect it's something decent but expect to get accidentally paid by shawn holding TT, 99, AJ, AK, whatever and not realising gabe needs to hold a monster. also gabe should want to let bb pay him off with whatever nonsense he might have.

of course, we all know that since ive said all this repeatedly gabe probably had 32o or AK or JTs or whatever. but anyone who's played with gabe enough knows that might happen like 1 time in 100 if that...

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

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there's no real reason for gabe to know that shawn has a big hand too.

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That's exactly why Shawn has to call.

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

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"letting Gabe bluff a brick"

i know gabe well and he's never bluffing here. there's either a slim chance of a chop or youre destroyed, so hero needs to fold the river, possibly the turn.

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I guess Gabe could be smart enough to bluff w/KK here, no? I guess that makes it closer but I still doubt enough so to call given you'd be chopping.
Rob

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I hope you mean bluff with AK?

Hero's range weights extremely heavily toward AK on this river. That gives Gabe intriguing reasons both to bet AK to fold out a chop and perhaps to value bet a worse hand like TT.

I don't know what his capping range is preflop and I don't know with which hands he continuation bets the turn, but if he gets to the river with this action, he should be betting an awful lot. The situation isn't great by any means, but I don't think it's especially close to a fold.

Also, the fact that you will occasionally chop with KK is non-trivial. It doesn't give you the odds to call by itself but it materially reduces the odds you need on one of these sorts of parlays to come through. If somehow you knew that he could never have the other KK there then the decision would be closer.

[Entity]

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Also, the fact that you will occasionally chop with KK is non-trivial. It doesn't give you the odds to call by itself but it materially reduces the odds you need on one of these sorts of parlays to come through. If somehow you knew that he could never have the other KK there then the decision would be closer.

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Yeah, that's basically what I was trying to point out, but I was a few whiskeys in at that point. I don't really know Shawn, but I do tend to think that there isn't much value in Gabe betting with KK there on the river (with the exception of him getting Shawn to fold the other KK). [This was written before realizing that the pot was not HU on the river, in which case I think the bet is clearly a value bet].

Rob

[spino1i]

I like it. Prevents you from getting into much trouble with JJ/QQ/AA while getting him to bluff more chips away if he's on a bluff or AK and still gets a fair amout of value out of AQ/KQ (at least on flop or turn, when your ahead).

[Sqred]

I like it. You kept the BB in by simply calling along and you let gabe possibly bluff off his money if he is behind. Standard, but not played this way much anymore.