Ok turn check?

Oink · #1 10-22-2007, 07:22 PM

Disregard preflop. Its what happens when I have been playing too much NL.

Anyways.

Button is 40/10 fish. BB is unknown but seems good / non fishy.

I usually check behind turn but I figured he has 4 outs a lot so giving out a free card isnt that terrible and I save myself the agony of getting c/r'ed

FPS?

Just valuebet both turn and river?

Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, Button folds, BB calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks....

Oh and plese dont redirect to MHSSH. Nothing happens there.

Sushiglutton · #2 10-22-2007, 07:42 PM

I would bet. I think we have a lot of equity against his range. He could be trapping with a high PP/set but then he risks a FC. I think he will call the turn with a lot of his 4 outs hands.

Apanage · #3 10-22-2007, 07:46 PM

I would bet.
It is much more likely that the lack of a threebet on flop is a holding that is not going to checkraise turn. And It is by no means a disaster if you get checkraised.

Absolution · #4 10-22-2007, 07:48 PM

I see no value in a bet due to that specific card. I would say that is almost the worst card in the deck (the diamond helps you obviously.) All straight draws just got there or out-paired you and he's not folding. If he had an 8 he's still ahead and if he had a 6 he's likely out kicking you. This leaves you with a decision on the river, but I would probably fold if he bets and I don't improve.

Sushiglutton · #5 10-22-2007, 07:50 PM

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I see no value in a bet due to that specific card. I would say that is almost the worst card in the deck (the diamond helps you obviously.) All straight draws just got there or out-paired you and he's not folding. If he had an 8 he's still ahead and if he had a 6 he's likely out kicking you. This leaves you with a decision on the river, but I would probably fold if he bets and I don't improve.

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Villain 3-bet pf and b/c this ragged board. Why do you put him on 8x or 7x or a SD?

Absolution · #6 10-22-2007, 07:53 PM

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I see no value in a bet due to that specific card. I would say that is almost the worst card in the deck (the diamond helps you obviously.) All straight draws just got there or out-paired you and he's not folding. If he had an 8 he's still ahead and if he had a 6 he's likely out kicking you. This leaves you with a decision on the river, but I would probably fold if he bets and I don't improve.

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Villain 3-bet pf and b/c this ragged board. Why do you put him on 8x or 7x or a SD?

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Because I misread the action. Oops. You're right, standard bet on the turn.

Oink · #7 10-22-2007, 07:56 PM

Edit to OP:

I dont "usually check behind on the turn". I usually bet the turn

I still think its close because he should be folding overcards here in which case I loose value whenever he would have put in a bet with those on the river if I check.

If he has an overpair checking is obviously best

Absolution · #8 10-22-2007, 08:02 PM

Why should he be folding overcards? He's getting 7.75-1 to see the river, which is what he needs for a 6-outer. That card isn't good for him either, even if he has an overpair, so there is a chance he just calls with it on the turn instead of raising. If I were in his spot with AK I would be calling the turn and I would be worried about that turn card if I had an overpair because it hits most of the draws you could have had. You should be happy if he folds overcards here.

villains_hero · #9 10-22-2007, 07:54 PM

He is drawing for overcards many times and you should make him pay for that.

Romulet · #10 10-22-2007, 08:13 PM

I don't mind the free card here. What do all the books say about way ahead or way behind? He's either got you crushed and you have your outs or you're winning vs AK or similar.

What's the plan on the river?

If he hits his flush or 2 pr or trips fairly easy.

What if an ace or king hits?

What if blank comes?