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#1
10-09-2007, 02:58 PM
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WIERD THING HAPPENED
Alright we were at a home game waiting for a third dealer to show up so we could open up another table. 1/2 n/l 200 max buy in. The guy finally shows up, opens a fresh deck, shuffles and deals. The very first hand was a total cooler for the # 3 seat. Straight flush VS Ace high flush no pairs on the board at the river. All the money goes in and the #3 seat has to rebuy on the very first hand. The next hand after the cards were dealt one player noticed he had a Joker. I had the rules of the game and a Joker in my hand. The dealer had forgotten to take them out before he shuffled and dealt!
Should that first hand have been a misdeal? Should the #3 seat have his 1st buy in returned? As you can imagine the guy was pretty ticked off. 
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#2
10-09-2007, 03:04 PM
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Re: WIERD THING HAPPENED
No the first hand is not a misdeal, and he is not entitled to a refund.
An irregularity discovered after the fact does not effect previous hands. BTW, this is why a dealer should spread a deck before using it, to check for extra or missing cards.
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#3
10-09-2007, 03:09 PM
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Re: WIERD THING HAPPENED
If we had noticed the extra cards during the first hand after action had taken place (say one of them came out on the turn) would it have been a misdeal or should the xtra cards have been removed and the deck reshuffled?
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#5
10-09-2007, 04:11 PM
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Re: WIERD THING HAPPENED
Had he won the hand, would he have returned the monies once the error was found?
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#6
10-09-2007, 03:52 PM
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Re: WIERD THING HAPPENED
[ QUOTE ]
If we had noticed the extra cards during the first hand after action had taken place (say one of them came out on the turn) would it have been a misdeal or should the xtra cards have been removed and the deck reshuffled? [/ QUOTE ] It would be void hand and all bets returned to the bettors. The exception is a player who gets one of these cards and doesn't immediately say something and allows action to occur. In that case that player does not get his bets back.
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#7
10-09-2007, 04:22 PM
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Re: WIERD THING HAPPENED
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] If we had noticed the extra cards during the first hand after action had taken place (say one of them came out on the turn) would it have been a misdeal or should the xtra cards have been removed and the deck reshuffled? [/ QUOTE ] It would be void hand and all bets returned to the bettors. The exception is a player who gets one of these cards and doesn't immediately say something and allows action to occur. In that case that player does not get his bets back. [/ QUOTE ] psand, Not sure if you're agreeing with me or not? THis is from Robert's Rules: A joker that appears in a game where it is not used is treated as a scrap of paper. Discovery of a joker does not cause a misdeal. If the joker is discovered before a player acts on his or her hand, it is replaced as in the previous rule. If the player does not call attention to the joker before acting, then the player has a dead hand. There are a few situations where having the extra cards in the deck would cause a misdeal but I don't think the op's descriptions of events "joker appearing as turn card" would cause a misdeal.
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#8
10-09-2007, 04:52 PM
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Re: WIERD THING HAPPENED
your probably correct it should be a scrap of paper, now that I think about it. I was thinking of treating as you would a card with a different color back or a duplicate card, but I guess its probably better to treat it as a boxed card.
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