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11-28-2006, 07:13 PM
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Deep Live Hand Vs. Very Good-looking Man
Hi everyone,
This hand happened in a 3/5 NL game with a $600 max buy in. The game is typically loose and weak, as you'd expect at these limits--probably something akin to .50-1 online, skill-wise, not that deep live games play the same as online games. I had just moved to the table, and hadn't picked up any cards in the 15 or so hands I'd seen so far, and I'd been quiet. 8 handed, I picked up T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the SB. 5 limpers to me, I completed, and the BB checked. I started the hand with about $1200. The flop was 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], and I led out for $20. Folded to a MP limper, who called; he was a ridiculous donk who I'd seen limp pf with Q3o, then call a $30 raise back to him. Post-flop, he was loose, fairly passive, and clueless. He had about $700. I put him on any pair or any draw, including 2 overcards Like AQ or KQ. Some other guys folded, and then the main Villain in this hand called as well. He was a super-loose, pretty aggressive, table captain-type. He was also strikingly handsome; not sure if that has any bearing on the action, though. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] He had over $3K. His range was pretty much any 2 cards with some relation to this flop. Everyone else folded. The turn was the J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], giving me a straight and putting two flush draws on board. I led out for $45, the donk called, which I didn't think he'd do with a straight, and then Villain made it $350. How do you proceed here? Is this an easy laydown, because he's got a T at least, here, and my implied odds are terrible? It seems weak to just fold a straight to a guy who plays every hand. Then there's the donk to think about; I felt that after calling my 2nd bet, his most likely hand was a flush draw, but he could still have something like KQ or J5, believe it or not. Anyway, what's your plan here? 
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#2
11-28-2006, 07:16 PM
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Re: Deep Live Hand Vs. Very Good-looking Man
I would just fold, I would probably play q9 like this in a live 2-5 game because nobody folds a straight in live poker.
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11-28-2006, 09:17 PM
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Re: Deep Live Hand Vs. Very Good-looking Man
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So he has at least a ten, whats your point? easiest shove ever. [/ QUOTE ] you're kidding right?
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11-29-2006, 04:54 PM
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Re: Deep Live Hand Vs. Very Good-looking Man
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So he has at least a ten, whats your point? easiest shove ever. [/ QUOTE ] you're kidding right? [/ QUOTE ] folding this hand is suicide [/ QUOTE ] Sigh, another case in which I cant tell if the poster is joking or is clueless when he says "folding this hand is suicide." I can't tell if this is 2nd level humor or if he's clueless himself. What are some good indicators? I guess one can tell by the amount of posts he's made in the past. I feel that may indicate whehter or not he is an experienced poster/player. However, this small number may belie the poster's actual ability. Anyway... what do you mean by suicide? If by suicide you mean a 70 dollar suicide, then yes, its a suicide.
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#8
11-28-2006, 07:20 PM
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Re: Deep Live Hand Vs. Very Good-looking Man
So you're sure the handsome guy had at least a 9? I'd probably call, there's a decent chance the main donk will overcall and provide you a ton of equity. I also think that maximizing the chance at an overcall is more important than protecting against draws, especially because it sounds like FDs won't make up that much of this donk's range, that range being so wide.
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#10
11-28-2006, 08:40 PM
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Re: Deep Live Hand Vs. Very Good-looking Man
sweet suicide, cero :-)
i don't mind a fold here. reverse implied odds are badddd on a call, and you can probably find a better spot soon where you're sure you're way ahead.
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