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What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop
No reads. I PFR 3xbb and get one caller. Pretty safe flop and I want to extract as many chips from villain as possible. (I'm pretty sure I'm ahead) I bet ~1/2 and get min-raised. What's your play here?
Full Tilt Poker, NL Hold'em, 1,000/2,000 Blinds, 250 Ante, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BTN: 26,750 SB: 20,290 BB: 54,553 Hero (UTG): 47,908 MP: 26,047 CO: 94,452 Pre-Flop: (4,500) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG) <font color="red">Hero raises to 6,000</font>, MP folds, CO calls 6,000, 3 folds Flop: (16,500) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets 8,000</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to 16,000</font>, Hero ? |
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Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop
"I want to extract as many chips from villain as possible. (I'm pretty sure I'm ahead)"
think for a bit, call, c/r all in on the turn |
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Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop
Yes you're ahead, and like Mask said, check raise the turn to get the most out of him
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Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop
I think I usually 3bet push here, but call/push is fine too.
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Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop
3bet all in. Anything else is erroneous.
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Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop
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3bet all in. Anything else is erroneous. [/ QUOTE ] why is it erroneous? are we scared of him hitting a three or two outer? call let him hang himself on the turn. |
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Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop
I don't like a 3bet either. If we push he might be decent enough to lay down some medium pocket pairs which he certainly would have bet on the turn after raising the flop. Furthermore he might think that we have missed the board with OCs and therefore he possibly bluff-raises here.
I think if we c/rAI the turn we get more value by weak hands and bluffs that would fold to a 3bet on the flop. |
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Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop
The flop was pretty dry, a rainbow and paired 8's. I think villain would have 3 bet me if he had AA. So I wanted him to think I was making a missed Cbet and just be 1/2 pot. I also wanted to get called.
A few people suggested the turn CRAI which is what I did in this case... <font color="red">Hero bets 8,000</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to 16,000</font>, Hero calls 8,000 Turn: (48,500) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets 16,000</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to 25,658 and is All-In</font>, CO calls 9,658 River: (99,816) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: 99,816 Pot Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Kings and Eights) and WON 99,816 (+51,908 NET) CO showed T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Tens and Eights) and LOST (-47,908 NET) |
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Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop
The call/crai-line may have worked here pretty well but as erc007 said, any J/Q/K/A would certainly kill the action on the turn so just get it in now.
If Villain just bluffraised the flop you wonīt get any more chip on turn / river anyway, so you arenīt losing anything. If he semibluffraised the flop maybe with OCs / lower PP he wonīt bet the turn either if you call the flop - and he gets 2 freecards. Said this I fully agree with anyone who said "bet-shove the flop". |
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Re: What\'s your play KK vs min-raise post flop
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Flop: (16,500) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets 8,000</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to 16,000</font>, Hero ? [/ QUOTE ] This lead has to be to induce a raise...right? So is the question whether to flatcall and cont to trap, or take it down here/get value with a 3-bet shove? A lot of his range that u beat will not like overcards to his PP on the turn and river, so i'd just get it in now. |
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