My Casino AZ Problem....

[that_pope]

As a relatively new player (2 years seriously), I have ran into a problem at Casino AZ. I moved up from 3/6 to 4/8 to 6/12 and now mainly play the 8/16 game there. I have played the 20/40 a handful of times.

That is my problem, there is a huge jump from 8/16 to 20/40. One bad day at 20/40 can wipe out a month of 8/16 profits (as I proved three weekends ago).

I know they used to have a 10/20 game that folded because it was the nittiest game in the world.

What is the likelihood that I could get say a 12/24 (yellow chip???) or a 15/30 game going there regularly. I know it would strain both the 8/16 and 20/40 games, as some of each would play in it, but at peak times, there are usually 3 of each 6/12 (lots of people playing while waiting for 8/16 seats), 8/16 and 20/40 games going. The 15/30 at Bellagio was a perfect fit for my skills and bankroll, but wouldn't mind a 12/24 game either.

It might take me up to another year at 8/16 before I have the bankroll to play 20/40 all the time, a game between them would speed up the process for sure....

Thoughts?

[*TT*]

patience grasshopper. Everything you told us shows that you don't have the bankroll to play 20/40 yet. How many big bets do you have in your roll for 20/40? You shouldn't step foot near that game until you have 20k at a very minimum (its a 1/2 kill game, you will often be playing relative stakes of 30/60).

PS: This really isn't a B&M question, this is a general Hold'em topic. It doesn't matter if your playing live or on line variance, win rate, bankroll, and standard deviation issues are the same.

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[that_pope]

Well, my point which got murky, was...is it possible for me to start a 15/30 or 12/24 game there. I have never tried to start a different game, but know that a year ago they never used to have an 8/16 game, 6/12 was the biggest low limit game....so would they be interested in spreading a 12/24 game (don't know if they have enough yellow chips to do so) or a 15/30 game?

[UbinTook]

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Well, my point which got murky, was...is it possible for me to start a 15/30 or 12/24 game there. I have never tried to start a different game, but know that a year ago they never used to have an 8/16 game, 6/12 was the biggest low limit game....so would they be interested in spreading a 12/24 game (don't know if they have enough yellow chips to do so) or a 15/30 game?

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Forget about 12/24 or 15/30. The players that regularly play 6/12 or 8/18 wont make that step for the MOST part( at least not regularly, which is what you want). Your ONLY shot is converting the 8/16 players to 10/20.

While in 8/16 game, start suggesting 10/20...get a live game to move limits. If you can get the players to agree, call the floor " the whole table would like to convert this game to 10/20".
BUT...
Play 10/20 with BLUE chips, do not color up to red.

Once you get the game live a time or two, the game will develop on its own.

<font color="blue"> Play with blue chips.
Play with blue chips. </font>

One of the reasons the old 10/20 died is that the quantity of chips in the pots were significantly less than the blue chips games.

[AZplayer]

From what I heard and my own experience, the 10/20 game died out about the same time the 5-150 game started to get more traction.

Everyone has a different theory but the 10-20 game was also the biggest raked "jackpot/extra $1" game.

In terms of trying to get a new game going, good luck. I've suggested several times to at least "take a list" for a 20-40 mix or even a 10-20 mix game but they won't spread a mix at less than 30-60. And at least for a 20-40 mix they don't need permission, new plaques, or anything! But they won't even take an interest list.

Good luck.

[UbinTook]

The 10/20 game died LONG before the introduction of the 5-150. The 10/20 game died at the McKellips location (four years ago i believe) 5-150 had nothing to do with it.

The rake on 10/20 was $1 out of SB for Jackpot...
Flop and drop $2...
Another $2 when the pot reached $100.00
( Depending on the time of year, that second 2 either went to the house drop or was split with 1 going to the jackpot and 1 to the house)

The reason the lower limit mix games dont go is lack of intrest. There are not enough 10/20 or 20/40 mix players to support the game for long...they all want to play Holdem.

[meep_42]

You think that you need 500BB to take a shot at the 20/40? I was planning on taking a couple shots at ~250BB (though, mostly to get my face recognized and not get shots taken at me constantly when I start playing it regularly).

-d

[AngusThermopyle]

Get to know management.
Talk to other 8/16 players about your ideas.
Present a proposal to management.
All they can do is say "No".

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You think that you need 500BB to take a shot at the 20/40? I was planning on taking a couple shots at ~250BB (though, mostly to get my face recognized and not get shots taken at me constantly when I start playing it regularly).

-d

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In that game, yes you need 500 or so BB. Its a 1/2 kill game and its plays very wild, these games tend to be high variance.

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[VORP]

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You think that you need 500BB to take a shot at the 20/40? I was planning on taking a couple shots at ~250BB (though, mostly to get my face recognized and not get shots taken at me constantly when I start playing it regularly).

-d

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In that game, yes you need 500 or so BB. Its a 1/2 kill game and its plays very wild, these games tend to be high variance.

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Doesn't taking a shot, by definition, not require a full bankroll? I think Hass has pretty much described exactly what taking a shot entails. As long as you set aside enough to drop back down with a solid bankroll nothing catastrophic can happen and there is a lot of upside.