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Standard Shove Scenerios
So I hear this a lot from the 2+2 posters: "Standard". But the problem is I don't know what situations are all standard. I hope I don't get flamed for this idea, but I would like to know if we could develop a list of standard shove scenerios (on the turn or flop). This could really help me in my game. I would like to have a clear list in my head of plays that are just plain standard. It may be the ABC's to you guys but I am not sure how you all always know what is standard.
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Re: Standard Shove Scenerios
mm pretty wide ranging question, but i have a couple of examples over the last session or so where you might think im behind in both hands but by shoving i actually found myself in a decent spot - in general terms when someone says a hand is standard it generally means that both players are going to stack off here regardless, as their hand/draw is so strong.
FullTiltPoker Game #3743081690: Table Spunsilk (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 7:19:30 ET - 2007/10/03 Seat 1: Mr Hakahill ($130) Seat 2: rubberduck2 ($73.05) Seat 3: El-Razor ($100.70) Seat 4: Scooper of Life ($148.80) Seat 5: micelanya ($82.45) micelanya posts the small blind of $0.50 Mr Hakahill posts the big blind of $1 Dealt to El-Razor [7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] rubberduck2 calls $1 El-Razor raises to $4.50 Scooper of Life folds micelanya calls $4 Mr Hakahill folds rubberduck2 calls $3.50 *** FLOP *** [4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] micelanya checks rubberduck2 checks El-Razor bets $14.50 micelanya raises to $58 rubberduck2 folds El-Razor raises to $96.20, and is all in micelanya calls $19.95, and is all in micelanya shows [7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] Uncalled bet of $18.25 returned to El-Razor *** TURN *** [4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] *** RIVER *** [4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] El-Razor shows two pair, Sevens and Fours micelanya shows two pair, Eights and Sevens micelanya wins the pot ($167.40) with two pair, Eights and Sevens in this hand i flop a great draw, c/bet it and get check raised - most beginners would automacally think straight here and think they are behind, but my hand is actually 65/35 fav, versus both the made straight and villans actual hand, 2 pair - in fact i am ahead of virtually concevable hand hand here except AAxxwc where i am 48/52, but the dead money already in the pot more than compensates for this. as a side note when you are playing around the 100bb mark it is usually correct to get all your money in the middle with AAxx w/NFD, as if you are up against a set you are usually no worse than 2-1 dog, and random 2 pairs are normally slightly better than a coin flip in the second hand im the guy stacking off with AA - with not decent wrap available i thought i might be up against a set here, but yet again i give my opponent too much credit and he turns up with 2 pair and a rubbish flush, and im actually a marginal 52/48 fav FullTiltPoker Game #3726039207: Table Garden (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 14:59:54 ET - 2007/10/01 Seat 1: Invie ($185.15) Seat 2: RUIZAV ($76.80) Seat 3: PrimeFknTime ($154.55) Seat 4: nickyb2350 ($99) Seat 5: iamnotkit ($195.15) Seat 6: El-Razor ($89.70) Invie posts the small blind of $0.50 RUIZAV posts the big blind of $1 Dealt to El-Razor [9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]c A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]h A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] PrimeFknTime calls $1 nickyb2350 calls $1 iamnotkit folds El-Razor raises to $5.50 Invie calls $5 RUIZAV folds PrimeFknTime calls $4.50 nickyb2350 calls $4.50 *** FLOP *** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] Invie checks PrimeFknTime checks nickyb2350 checks El-Razor bets $23 Invie calls $23 PrimeFknTime folds nickyb2350 raises to $93.50, and is all in El-Razor calls $61.20, and is all in Invie folds nickyb2350 shows [J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] *** TURN *** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] *** RIVER *** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] nickyb2350 shows a flush, King high El-Razor shows a flush, Ace high El-Razor wins the pot ($211.40) with a flush, Ace high |
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Re: Standard Shove Scenerios
Good post and good hands Elrazor
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Re: Standard Shove Scenerios
Janelle,
Recently, I've seen you a lot at the full rings games on PS, but just haven't had the chance to sit with you for too long. Anyhow, here are a couple hands from yesterday that I believe are pretty standard shove situations. http://www.pokerhand.org/?1546901 http://www.pokerhand.org/?1546912 G/L to you at the tables |
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Re: Standard Shove Scenerios
i think stacking off with AAxx NFD is always ok, but i wouldnt say its super standard to felt TPNFD at a full table?? i think its abit too opponent/situation dependent to be totally standard
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Re: Standard Shove Scenerios
ok about as standard as you are going to get - reraiser has top set with nothing showing so he has every reason to stack off, ive got a wrap/flush which actually makes me 58/42 favorite in this spot.
and for once i actually hit [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] Full Tilt Poker Pot Limit Omaha Ring game Blinds: $0.50/$1 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $95 UTG+1: $119.35 CO: $97.30 Hero: $146.90 SB: $188.10 BB: $93.50 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $4.5</font>, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls. Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($22.5, 5 players) SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets $22.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $90</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $142.4</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 calls all-in $24.85</font>. Uncalled bets: $27.55 returned to Hero. Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($182.35, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $274.7) River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($182.35, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $274.7) Results: Final pot: $182.35 <font color="#ffffff">UTG+1 showed 9s 7s 7c 2c</font> <font color="#ffffff">Hero showed 8d 9h 5h 6c</font> |
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