KJs in SB vs PFR

[simonmfromgu]

Hi,

I'd appreciate comments on this hand.

Thanks in advance.

Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img](4BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img](6BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 10BB

--edit: fixed (miss-)converted hand

[Langerz]

My comment is that Poker room is rigged since the J of clubs gave you both a pair and a flush draw.

I'd fix the hand history since its hard to tell if you have a flush here or not.

[Zach6668]

Assuming it's not supposed to be the Jc on the flop, I play it the same.

I'd like to fold the river though (assuming we don't have a flush), but I'd have a hard time doing it, especially in a btn-blind battle.

[TheDudeChad]

I play this the same.

I don't know if we're supposed to fold the river here, but I wouldn't.

[Zach6668]

Ok, now that it's edited, I still play it the same.

[bobhalford]

Gosh that's pretty tough. Could he do this with J9? AT? KJ?

It looks like your hand sucks here. If I was villain with KJ, I wouldn't even consider raising this river. But not everyone thinks like me. Even with AJ I'd be hardpressed to raise. Problem is, button should have capped preflop with AK/JJ, especially with his position. So we can discount those hands a bit. K9 is kinda unlikely but possible. What hand raises this river but doesn't raise the flop or the turn? That's the one thing that puzzles me about this hand. I've seen this kind of play before with AA or 55/33. They wait until the river, it's strange. Maybe this is one of those times. But we have no idea if this is the kind of guy to do that.

So I guess this post kinda argues for a bet/call on the river. The only hand that makes any sense is JT, and there are only 2 combinations of that hand.

The only thing that turns this into a fold for me is that villain should expect us to call with AQ, so he shouldn't be doing this with J9. It's even a bit frisky for him to raise this river with JT as you could have AK. This isn't the kind of board that you can raise the river without at least a set.

So because I can't place him on any other hand that beats us other than a strange JT and K9/AK , I'd call. It's just such a puzzle to me what this guy has that I call. I'd have to see it to believe it. Whatever he has, I'm making a note.

[Zach6668]

Like I said, I want to fold the river, but I doubt I would in practice.

Anyone think of a c/c now that we have some showdown value?

[Langerz]

Dang this hand got a lot more interesting when you corrected it.

There is no way I could c/c the river and I don't think we should.

Also if I'm honest with myself I don't think there is anyway I could b/f the river, but I think maybe we should.

Did he have QJ? I'd think he'd raise the flop. I'm guessing something weird that he slow played, but shouldn't have.

[UtzChips]

You lost to QJ. Tough break. Next hand.

[toss]

Betting river is a must, must, must, people call with all sorts of hands. River raises like that are usually not a bluff so I'd fold.