Live Vegas $1/2NL vs $2/5NL

[stargazer]

I am a winning regular online player in $200NL (1/2) and $400NL (2/4).

When in Vegas I usually play the $1/2NL at MGM or Venetian and am familiar with the flavor of these games. The way I see them:
- Preflop raises are generally to $10-$15 and get 3-4 callers.
- cb is usually only 1/2 to 2/3 pot
- lots of fit or fold on the flop but typically at least one caller/floater/chaser.
- Players who call the flop and get heads-up usually also call turn.
- $1/2 stacks dont get particularly deep.
- turn & river raises from typical players frequently are for monsters.
- Locals to tourists ratio is 60/40 daytime/week and more touristy weekends & nights.
- 3-bet ranges preflop are usually a monster (except from short stack, any pair 66+ or AK AQ).

Next trip, I plan to move up to the $2/5NL. What differences should I expect? More locals? What's a typical preflop raise, how many typically call? How's their postflop play? What's typical CB success rate? How's 3-bet ranges? More bluff raises? etc.

I've read through the B&M forum with a "+Vegas +NL -Re" 1 year search. Lots of good discussion but didnt find anything dissecting this particular question.

[ob1]

if you beat 200 & 400nl online these questions are not even worth answering. almost every player at your table will seem like they have just learned what hands beat what. play 5/10 live.

[WMB]

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if you beat 200 & 400nl online these questions are not even worth answering. almost every player at your table will seem like they have just learned what hands beat what. play 5/10 live.

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Agreed. You'll easily be the best player at 5-10 and should hold your own at 10-20

[stargazer]

Are you guys serious? I don't consider myself a great player, just nicely +BB/100 online. Last time I played $1/$2NL at the Venetian, Greg Raymer was in the $5/10NL. No thanks.

Anyways I'm not bankrolled for a whole week of $5/10NL or higher live.

Uhh.. So what should I expect for $2/5NL anyways?

[WMB]

Its somewhat table dependent, but overall 2-5 plays slightly tighter than 1-2. somewhat more weak-tight, so you can sometimes bluff or semi-bluff more.

[AquaSwing]

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Uhh.. So what should I expect for $2/5NL anyways?

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Almost exactly the same, especially at places where 2/5 is the lowest they spread.

[pig4bill]

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Are you guys serious? I don't consider myself a great player, just nicely +BB/100 online. Last time I played $1/$2NL at the Venetian, Greg Raymer was in the $5/10NL. No thanks.

Anyways I'm not bankrolled for a whole week of $5/10NL or higher live.

Uhh.. So what should I expect for $2/5NL anyways?

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Nobody can tell you, no matter what they think. I've been in 2/5 Vegas games with players that ranged from so-so, to above average, to super aggressive shark, to WPT final tabler.

[orensi]

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Are you guys serious? I don't consider myself a great player, just nicely +BB/100 online. Last time I played $1/$2NL at the Venetian, Greg Raymer was in the $5/10NL. No thanks.

Anyways I'm not bankrolled for a whole week of $5/10NL or higher live.

Uhh.. So what should I expect for $2/5NL anyways?

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Nobody can tell you, no matter what they think. I've been in 2/5 Vegas games with players that ranged from so-so, to above average, to super aggressive shark, to WPT final tabler.

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This seems the best answer. Just remember that there are always other 2/5 games going on and if you think you stumbled upon a strong table go find a better one.
And in contrast to some of the posts here, people (usually) dont just hand you their chips in the 2/5 games.

[philfan05]

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Are you guys serious? I don't consider myself a great player, just nicely +BB/100 online. Last time I played $1/$2NL at the Venetian, Greg Raymer was in the $5/10NL. No thanks.

Anyways I'm not bankrolled for a whole week of $5/10NL or higher live.

Uhh.. So what should I expect for $2/5NL anyways?

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Nobody can tell you, no matter what they think. I've been in 2/5 Vegas games with players that ranged from so-so, to above average, to super aggressive shark, to WPT final tabler.

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This seems the best answer. Just remember that there are always other 2/5 games going on and if you think you stumbled upon a strong table go find a better one.
And in contrast to some of the posts here, people (usually) dont just hand you their chips in the 2/5 games.

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Couldn't agree more. Table draw is such a crap shoot. I've played 2/5 against braclet winners and local pros as well as rich old people who barely know if a flush beats a straight. I recommend playing in a large poker room (MGM, Ceasars, Bellagio, or Wynn) and switching tables if need be.

[JulioYalil]

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Anyways I'm not bankrolled for a whole week of $5/10NL or higher live.

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if u beat the 400NL online it means u r properly rolled for it. if u r properly rolled for it then u should have no prob cashin some of the $ to try the 5/10 live for a couple of buy ins.
i.e. if u have 20 buy ins for 400NL online that's $8000. cash out $2000 for two buy ins @ 5/10 live (100BBs each). if that doesn't work out well then u can just play 2/5 and/or 1/2 for the rest of the week. if that doesn't work out well either then drop down to the 200NL and 100NL online and rebuild ur bankroll until u can try it again (this shouldn't take too long). so either u a liar about beatin the $2/$4 online or u too much of a nit w/ ur bankroll. that being said... yes, the 5/10 live is a hell of a lot easier than 1/2 and 2/4 online. although there could be the occasional shark at ur table it actually plays more like 50NL online.
good luck on ur trip.