Two gross PF spots with Queens that make me want to chop off my head.

Chesskid1 · #1 10-09-2007, 04:35 PM

I NEVER ever post hands here really, usually since I have an idea of what to do. In these two spots, I have no idea what to do, deeper stacked with queens.

No reads on either tables, haven't played much on either table.

first hand is from the 22r

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t33920)
SB (t14755)
BB (t8728)
Hero (t20400)
UTG+1 (t13587)
MP1 (t5644)
MP2 (t7550)
CO (t8915)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t1700, 4 folds, Button raises to t7050, 2 folds, Hero ?

2nd hand is from 11r

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t49125)
SB (t46559)
BB (t24405)
UTG (t52745)
UTG+1 (t19577)
MP1 (t18858)
MP2 (t14981)
MP3 (t20890)
CO (t37116)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t9600, 5 folds, Hero ?

wtffff *kills self*

levAA · #2 10-09-2007, 04:48 PM

would you explain your thoughts a little deeper.

with the bet-size of the 3-bet I think this is an easy shove on both hands.

BarryLyndon · #3 10-09-2007, 04:53 PM

First hand I think I push because button's range can't be simply KK+; AK. I think he has JJ and perhaps 1010 here a bunch. And he's committed with JJ, which is great. I go for the push. There's so much in the pot relative to your stack at this point and I'm not giving up QQ here.

Second hand is trickier, but come to think of it, pushing like a beast looks like a steal and you may get JJ to come along for the ride after all. I think you need to push because pushing on the button looks steal-esque enough to get JJ to come for the ride. And, I mean, you're not that deep nor will you be in a few minutes anyway.

I would FLAT CALL with JJ and 1010 here. But, with QQ, I think it's a push once again.

How super duper simple that was. I think you may have overthunk this because you were about ~30BB deep, but rebuy tourneys are aggro + you're not gonna stay 30BB deep forever. Both are pushes. Thinly veiled beat post? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

Barry

Chesskid1 · #4 10-09-2007, 05:23 PM

meh. i guess i'm just nitty. i folded one of the hands and shoved the other though.

gobboboy · #5 10-09-2007, 05:25 PM

Shove both.

BlueEcho · #6 10-09-2007, 06:21 PM

IMO you aren't deep enough to be thinking like this. I shove in both spots.

Sherman · #7 10-09-2007, 05:28 PM

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meh. i guess i'm just nitty. i folded one of the hands and shoved the other though.

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I'd be awfully tempted to fold the 1st one, but very happy to shove the 2nd one.

Anyhow, for the first one, do the math of AKo,AKs,QQ+ vs. your QQ.

Sherman

registrar · #8 10-09-2007, 06:23 PM

Both shoves but #2 is a fist pump.

TwistedEcho · #9 10-09-2007, 08:23 PM

1st one is the closest to a fold (and i suspect the one you folded). 2nd one is yawn ez shove and be glad he raised huge since it means he probably has a worse hand, and he isn't planning on folding.

BarryLyndon · #10 10-09-2007, 08:40 PM

You Have to weigh at least half of the JJ hands into this unless you know your opponent.