NL50 - TPTK in 3bet pot

[yegon]

I was IP so I decided to just call the 3bet. When he bet so big on the flop and on the turn it looked to me like he has no trouble with the K but he hates the flushdraws and when the second one apears he panics. Is the fold OK?

Villain was 24/16/8.5 over 50 hands - haven't seen him do nothing out of the ordinary so far

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $7.61
UTG: $45.95
MP: $49.75
CO: $51.64
Hero (BTN): $68.66
SB: $59.71

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $6.50</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $4.50

Flop: ($13.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12

Turn: ($37.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $41.21 and is All-In</font>, Hero folds

[Lego05]

Very doubtful he's doing this with anything you beat.

One of the rareish spots I like folding TPTK in a 3bet pot.

[You're No Daisy]

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Very doubtful he's doing this with anything you beat.

One of the rareish spots I like folding TPTK in a 3bet pot.

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This looks a lot like AA here. Thoughts?

AC

[EMc]

This is a tough situation. I really think the flop is push or fold at that point, cause you are putting in too much to ever be profitable. The problem is you are really chopping here at best given his line and your read.

[WhiteWolf]

Bad. You were in a steal position and just called his pre-flop 3bet, so your hand is definitely underrepresented. You then flop top pair in a 3bet pot. Your pot-to-stack ratio is about 4.5-to-1: you should be happy to get it all in with TPTK.

[Lego05]

I don't really care what my pot-to-stack ratio is...If I'm not 33% against my opponents range then I'm not gonna call getting 2 to 1.

He's not bluffing here. On the turn I put his range to be mostly comprised of: AA,KK,AK,JJ....the only hand I think hero is ahead of that villian might have is AQ of clubs.


Even with 1 combo of QQ included it's not a call. I really really don't think he'll like ever do this with QQ though:



Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

660 games 0.005 secs 132,000 games/sec

Board: 3c Kc 4s Js
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.121% 12.12% 20.00% 80 132.00 { AsKh }
Hand 1: 67.879% 47.88% 20.00% 316 132.00 { AcAd, AcAh, AdAh, KdKs, QhQs, JcJd, JcJh, JdJh, AdKd, AcQc, AcKd, AcKs, AdKs, AhKd, AhKs }

[dawade]

What kind of flop were you looking for when you called PF with AK if not this one?

Shove flop. As played, shove turn.

[yegon]

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What kind of flop were you looking for when you called PF with AK if not this one?

Shove flop. As played, shove turn.

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I kinda try not only to look at the board but also at villain's possible holdings. What hands do call my AI on the flop? What hands do I beat on the turn?

IMO pushing flop would only be good for shania telling villain not to mess with my raises but that is meaningless at NL50.

[You're No Daisy]

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What kind of flop were you looking for when you called PF with AK if not this one?

Shove flop. As played, shove turn.

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Mike Hart's comments after the game were hilarious, but I think you're still hung over from the game [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]. Our Hero got re-raise preflop, bet into on the flop, and had the turn shoved into him. We have to look at the betting pattern and the strength of it. The only hands doing this are AA-KK and AK. I'm finding a reason to fold here.

AC

[Profish2285]

I really cant think of a hand villain will do this with that we beat other than air which would be QQ. Mayyybeee AQcc/AQss. I think much more often than not we are looking at a split or a loss. I also agree however that this is a push or fold on the flop. I think I call too often on these flops in situations like this, but it is probably incorrect. I think I just shove flop but by the time you get to the turn, I fold.

Note: In case my shoving flop but folding turn doesnt make sense I think of it this way. On the flop youre losing to two hands realistically, KK/AA. When you get to the turn, now youre losing to AJ if he would 3 bet that and JJ as well. The jack just makes his 3 betting range crush you so much more by that point, same thing if a queen would have came off instead.