FPHG available

[jukofyork]

Well in the light of the other post about the Party Handgrabber loophole, I decided to release my own version of this for everybody to use.

I hope by doing this that this puts an end to all the profit making from this loophole (which I personally think is wrong). Some will not be happy that I released this, but I personally believe this is the 'correct' thing to do, and I am prepared to stand up and support my beliefs... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

As was pointed out in another post this really is not a hard thing to do or code up for somebody with a reasonable level of low-level coding knowledge. I spend about 1/2 a day on this, but right enough it doesn't have a flashy interface and it a typical "Juk Hack" for want of a better word. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The zipfile, along with the source can be found here (Right click and use "Save as").

Make sure you read the README.TXT file first, as it mentions some of the problems you may encounter while using FreePHG.

Any problems then just PM or email me and I will try to help. Also, if anybody finds some neat fixes or optimizations then please share. Like I said before I didn't spend long coding this up and their is alot that could be done to improve it.

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

PS: This is one of "my" zip-files on my free host [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] - Feel free to re-host and post a new link if there are any problems with downloading it.

edit: changed title to slightly appease the secrecy camp.
edit: twice. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
-Sam

[theRealMacoy]

juk,

holy holy holy holy hoyl crap.

this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.

i haven't tried it yet as i am too excited will report back later with trip report.

thank-you so much.
sean

edit--my only thought is i wonder if it might be more prudent to take a stealthier approach so not to draw party's notice too quickly (re: the title of the post) ---like with the previous application.

[jukofyork]

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juk,

holy holy holy holy hoyl crap.

this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.this is amazing.

i haven't tried it yet as i am too excited will report back later with trip report.

thank-you so much.
sean

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Tell us how you get on, a few people have tested it so far, and I originally wasn't going to release it, but the other thread eventually changed my mind... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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edit--my only thought is i wonder if it might be more prudent to take a stealthier approach so not to draw party's notice too quickly (re: the title of the post) ---like with the previous application.

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Yes, but I think since I am trying to stop the profit making from things such as PartyHandTracker and HHSmithey, the fact that I have openly published it like this (for free) will be in its favour.

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Slider2]

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yes, but I think since I am trying to stop the profit making from things such as PartyHandTracker and HHSmithey, the fact that I have openly published it like this (for free) will be in its favour.

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I think Party, and similar type companies, really only have two concerns about such software:

1) Is the presence of such software 'talked' about a lot, to the extent that the amount of talk could hurt their market (ie. scare players away)

2) Does the software provide some level of unfair advantage?

Their publicity material talks about their disliking companies who sell such software (or related services), but it is not at all clear that Party mean that giving it away for free is any better. Possibly the idea of someone giving something useful away for free never occured to them! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I wouldn't put too much reliance on Party's written word ("We do not scan your hard drive or take screen shots from your machine.").

Your program, whether it is free or not, will increase the likelihood of Party responding to its type, because it, and your releasing it, suffers from both #1 and #2 above.

The question is whether you see Party's increased likelihood of responding as a positive, or negative, consequence to your action?

If you want the technique blocked (if you see this as beneficial to poker), then you've done the right thing, and should continue to do so.

If your issue is to do with people selling products that you could write for free, so you do it, and undercut their market, then I don't really understand this. The world is full of people who can do things I cannot (eg. make shoes, give lapdances, etc), and I am happy to pay for their services - if I want them. Or not to pay for them if I don't (as I chose with HHSmithey and PHT).

As skilful and knowledgaable as you are, you're going to be a very busy person if you don't like people charging for anything you can do.

In the event that you agree with me Juk, please do not change your behaviour until <u>after</u> you have written a quality replacement for Windows, a spam blocker, and a totally effective virus blocker. I'd be very appreciative [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Buckmulligan]

Hi

I'm having some issues with the import part of this, partially because I'm retarded, I'm sure. what's the best method for getting these imported into party poker? the Party auto import or the lightning bold auto import?

[Weatherhead03]

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Hi

I'm having some issues with the import part of this, partially because I'm retarded, I'm sure. what's the best method for getting these imported into party poker? the Party auto import or the lightning bold auto import?

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I'm also retarded..can anyone give us a crash course on how to get this up and running.

[Tk79]

It wont let me unzip the file. It tells me its not a valid archive. Any ideas?

[rvg72]

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It wont let me unzip the file. It tells me its not a valid archive. Any ideas?

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No idea why but... Download it from Internet Explorer and it seems to work. From Firefox the archive is invalid.

[starvs]

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It wont let me unzip the file. It tells me its not a valid archive. Any ideas?

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Try copy and pasting this into your browser.

http://freewebs.com/jukofyork/FreePHG_v0_01.zip

worked for me.

Now on to T&amp;C issues. Is it true that party will give you a warning for this before doing anything else, assuming they were ever to crack down (and were somehow able to).

[jukofyork]

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I think Party, and similar type companies, really only have two concerns about such software:

1) Is the presence of such software 'talked' about a lot, to the extent that the amount of talk could hurt their market (ie. scare players away)

2) Does the software provide some level of unfair advantage?

Their publicity material talks about their disliking companies who sell such software (or related services), but it is not at all clear that Party mean that giving it away for free is any better. Possibly the idea of someone giving something useful away for free never occured to them! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I wouldn't put too much reliance on Party's written word ("We do not scan your hard drive or take screen shots from your machine.").

Your program, whether it is free or not, will increase the likelihood of Party responding to its type, because it, and your releasing it, suffers from both #1 and #2 above.

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I honestly cannot predict how they will react to something like this, but I think that many others could have just as easy have done what I have (and I am sure many others have but won't admit it or release their code).

Yes, I could have just kept my version hidden, and until today I pretty much planned on doing this. For example: I had written a Pacific Hangrabber type utility quite a bit before the commercial version was released, but the difference was the Pacific Hangrabber author didn't try to make such a huge profit ($5-$10 was a very fair price for the work required IMO). The comments today in the other thread by the PHT author just didn't go down well with me and my belief system, so this is my way of rectifying it as best I can [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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The question is whether you see Party's increased likelihood of responding as a positive, or negative, consequence to your action?

If you want the technique blocked (if you see this as beneficial to poker), then you've done the right thing, and should continue to do so.

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No I don't want it blocked, but I think whether their is a commercial version or a free version in circulation will most likely make little difference. I could have kept this quiet and 'underground', but I think at worst this may accelerate their decision making process and force them to clarify their position on applications like this (free or payware).

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If your issue is to do with people selling products that you could write for free, so you do it, and undercut their market, then I don't really understand this. The world is full of people who can do things I cannot (eg. make shoes, give lapdances, etc), and I am happy to pay for their services - if I want them. Or not to pay for them if I don't (as I chose with HHSmithey and PHT).

As skilful and knowledgaable as you are, you're going to be a very busy person if you don't like people charging for anything you can do.

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Maybe this is just my belief system, but I have always believed in the benefit of sharing knowledge and skills, and if others take advantage of this and don't return the goodwill, then so be it. Others may have a different viewpoint on life and different goals, and everybody is welcome to their own personal ideals, these are just mine... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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In the event that you agree with me Juk, please do not change your behaviour until <u>after</u> you have written a quality replacement for Windows, a spam blocker, and a totally effective virus blocker. I'd be very appreciative [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I have lived through pretty much the whole era of home computers, and all I can say is that a "replacement for Windows" really wouldn't be such a bad thing and if I had multiple lifetimes (and was a more motivated person), yes I would try to right this wrong also, but sadly I don't and this is a different story... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]