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This is a hand played by my swap partner. I don't think I provided him w/ useful input, and wanted to know what the you guys think.
Villain in this hand has TAGish stats (some are from my PT). For the purpose of this hand, let's just say villain is most likely TAG (30/20/2). PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (5 handed) Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (4.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (5.16 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (7.16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls. I "think" hero's plan was to smooth call preflop and check/raise a lot of flops. I can't speak for him, but that's my guess... I'm sure most of you would take the standard line of 3-bet preflop and bet/call flop. All streets up for debate, but mostly interested in what you all think about the turn + river? Thanks! Oh, and my (lame) review comments: Preflop: I 3bet preflop a lot with this hand. With AK, I am more likely to call preflop and check/raise most flops. Turn: I am torn between check/calling and check/raising here. I think I like check/raising, but I’m not sure. River: After not check/raising the turn, I really want to check/raise the river. Wow, interesting hand, I’m going to have to think about this some more. |
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Im ok with calling preflop with a big ace. The turn and river in this hand are definitely close/debatable. But one thing is not debatable to me. That flop check/raise sux.
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That flop check/raise sux. [/ QUOTE ] Explain? |
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[ QUOTE ] That flop check/raise sux. [/ QUOTE ] Explain? [/ QUOTE ] The hero's check/raise is never folding a better hand on this board and the villain will most likely fire the flop and turn with many lesser hands if the hero plays passively and just check/calls this flop and thats exactly what we want to happen. Plus on this particular board, ther hero's flop check/raise will get 3bet by a lesser hand often enough to make it almost impossible to play the later streets optimally. So basically the hero's flop check/raise just sets himself up to get pwned. |
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I see a lot of places where hero could have released the hand with minimal criticism. C/F after that flop came. The raise on the flop is an interesting play...I wouldn't make it. Call the three bet, C/R the turn, release if 3-bet again. Otherwise, fire again on river if villan calls your C/R. This is a pretty marginal flop/turn for hero to lose 4.5 BBs.
Edit: Rethinking, I would have probably check called the flop, then bet the turn. that is pretty passive, but again, its a dangerous board. |
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From the turn I think I prefer c/c, then b/c on the river (with or without improving beyond our top pair).
I'm not sure about the turn but the river villain is going to check worse hands a lot (a lot of tens, PPs, straight draws that paired the jack). For this reason, I don't like c/c or c/r. |
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I think we should probably donk the turn even as played, people 3bet tons of draws, non trip hands and often dont bet them or just bet fold once the ace hits, ur donk gets lite call downs quite a bit and avoids giving up the freecard to worse hands (if i just ck called the flop id cr the turn here I think pfr when just ck called on raggy boards fire the overcard turns quite a bit UI esp the A).
id never cr the flop here, if i didnt 3bet preflop which i pretty much never do, id ck call the flop and a blank turn, after that is up for debate. |
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