Button with CO limper and JTs $4.40

[markbris]

This is exactly one orbit after the previous hand I posted with 44. In that hand it turned out that CO had limped Q10o from CO, this hand he limps again in CO, openlimping this time though. Take advantage here in anyway?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (7 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB (t2805)
UTG (t10016)
MP1 (t1330)
MP2 (t12122)
CO (t15632)
Hero (t8208)
SB (t20736)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls t600, Hero ?

[earck]

I think you need a little more info than just one hand. Any HUD stats on this guy?

[BarryLyndon]

Mark,

CO has proven that he likes to limp with hands and that he's a vagina, so push here, as he will have a hard time calling half his stack and he already build up the pot so it's 1500 + antes + you have FE + dominating hands rarely ever call your push here (AJ raises, I suspect KJ and QJ fold).

This is a much easier push, IMO, than the 44 hand.

Barry

[DerrtySlime]

dont push. limp behind and make good use of your position in the hand. Players at this level rarely limp/ fold.

[Sherman]

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dont push. limp behind and make good use of your position in the hand. Players at this level rarely limp/ fold.

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We could take advantage of position if we had deeper stacks. Also, a limp might induce a nice raise from the SB which blows.

I'd shove.

[BlueEcho]

Easy shove for me. I love it when I can recognize a limp/folder on my table late in a tourney. Abuse, abuse, abuse.

[Chesskid1]

id rather push A2, K9+ here. i just fold and wait for a better spot.

[BarryLyndon]

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dont push. limp behind and make good use of your position in the hand. Players at this level rarely limp/ fold.

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This is late and your stack kinduv sucks. You have FE against KJ / QJ, two definite candidates. The player with 25K is going to make your life miserable if he comes along for the ride. Jh10h isn't that strong a hand with three cards to come, despite the obvious misconception. If BB calls, you're OK against Arags or small pairs because of what's already in the pot.

Barry

[erc007]

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This is exactly one orbit after the previous hand I posted with 44. In that hand it turned out that CO had limped Q10o from CO, this hand he limps again in CO, openlimping this time though. Take advantage here in anyway?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (7 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB (t2805)
UTG (t10016)
MP1 (t1330)
MP2 (t12122)
CO (t15632)
Hero (t8208)
SB (t20736)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls t600, Hero ?

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I just call. BB will prob shove a wide range here. Not sure if CO will call 2200 then fold if we shove for 5K more...if there's a chance that he folds to either BB shove, or our shove if he calls BB...then calling is better than shoving here.

[4CardStraight]

I fold here.

Its pretty close. I really dont hate a push or anything. I think pushing is respectable. I just think its a thin fold. QJs is easy push, JTs... meh...

OK sure theres a lot of overlay, but that also makes your folding equity significantly less. 3 ways is a travesty.

Most people over value JTs. One reason why, is if we specifically select hands that do not dominate us, JTs always fares very well. Try it sometime, pick a 4 or 5 handed pot, AKo, JTs, 44, 77, KQs for instance JTs is over its 20% to win. another one thats pretty funny, JTs, vs A9o, vs 88 three ways. JTs is crushing, 39% of the equity, its way ahead. Another reason why is many players list it in the top 20 NL starting hands. It has incredible implied odds situations going for it. We make the nut straight a lot, we make solid flushes, and our one pairs are decent. We can extract a ton of money with nut straights, especially good boards like AKQ or KQ9 where we are highly likely to be up against a set, two pair, or TPTK and get paid. But as far as a all in equity play, JTs has major problems if we allow it the potential of domination. We simply dont make straights and flushes enough. If QJo can call us or QTo as listed, its a big problem.

Now.. put in ranges of hands instead. JTs vs top 25% were a 40/60 dog. JTs vs top 30%, still a dog. JTs vs 40% still a dog. get this JTs heads up vs top 50% hands... still a freaking dog. crazy but true. A2o really does face very similar domination problems, and I wouldnt say I would rather push A2o here than JTs, they are quite similar in strength against modestly broad ranges like top 20%. theres a lot of aces that dominate us just like theres a lot of broadway dominating our JTs.

Here we are likely to be called by any of the three positions with boradway hands, and we face major domination problems. QJs is ahead of top 40% and close enough to a top 25% range that the overlay makes it a much better push.

4card