100 rebuy, huge move

[nycballer]

100/200 with ante

utg+1(8k) who is loose and bad makes it 600, mid pos chip leader(40k) who is loose but decent makes it 1600, im in SB(13k) make it 4200 with 85 of clubs, just chip leader calls.

flop: Ah Jc 8s

i have 8k he has me covered. Best way to proceed?

[TheBlueMonster]

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fold preflop.

Here you might just have to check....basically the only thing you can do is move all in...you do, he'll call and you'll lose

[mikeymer]

why the hell would you do this OOP without any serious reads?

[JoseGonzlez]

i dont think its a bad squeeze type play if the stacks were shallower.

since the chip leader is pretty loose i guess i would push the flop and hope he does not have an ace.

[nath]

Uh, yeah, given that you got here, I would just shove, hope he folds TT or something like that, but

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[nycballer]

I knew 1st raiser was loose, i knew reraiser was loose and could have alot of hands and he was chip leader so that was good enough for me

[betgo]

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Uh, yeah, given that you got here, I would just shove, hope he folds TT or something like that, but

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Definately push the flop. You may take it if no one has an ace or set and you are 23% against AK with a pair and backdoor.

Awful place to make a play preflop. Early position raise and a reraise could easily mean someone has AK, QQ+ and they probably aren't folding. Need more of a read than loose players. Also, 100r is not a good tournament for this. It would work better in a live tournament or big Sunday online tournament where people are afraid to risk their tournament lives. I know this made you feel clever, but straight steals, resteals, and squeeze plays are much easier.

[nycballer]

I think the stacks being deep is what makes it so good b/c no one ever thinks this is a squeeze out of SB vs two EP guys.

What does pushing the flop represent? Does anyone give u credit for AK or AA with a push?

[JoseGonzlez]

from the way you described it the first guy would open any two and the big stack would call him fairly light.

Hence, he might have something like KQ 77- 10 10.

so you push. i think checking is bad because he might stab at the pot with an ace showing even if he does not have one.

if i was the button in this hand and you pushed i probably would not give you credit for a monster but there are a bunch of hands i just cant call the push with.

[willie]

i'd rewind and ask myself why i'm putting in so much of my stack against shown strength w/ 8 high suited.