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PL $1/2 - clean up outs, or....?
I have been thinking of the concept of cleaning up outs that is often mentioned here, and am wondering if this hand is a good example to implement it?
What do you think is the better play: 1. Just call flop/turn to let the third player in. 2. Raise the flop to try making it HU. 3. Shove the turn. 4. Any other better line? SB: 72/33/2.2 over 200 hands - playing true to his stats. UTG: 42/13/4 ~150 hands - slightly tilty and berating another player he stacked off to about 10hands ago. Full Tilt Poker - Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter) SB: $957.65 BB: $155.40 UTG: $140.55 Hero (BTN): $194.00 Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players) BB folds, <font color="red">UTG raises to $6.00</font>, Hero calls $6.00, SB calls $4.00 Flop: ($18) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players) SB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $12.00</font>, Hero calls $12.00, SB calls $12.00 Turn: ($54) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players) SB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $54.00</font>, Hero calls $54.00, SB calls $54.00 Pot Size: $216.00 ($2 Rake) |
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Re: PL $1/2 - clean up outs, or....?
I'd pot the flop
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Re: PL $1/2 - clean up outs, or....?
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I'd pot the flop [/ QUOTE ] I wouldn't. Your hand plays so much better with multiple opponents than heads up. Especially when you consider a nut flush draw will not fold the flop no matter how much you bet, so you only risk getting it in as a dog there. |
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Re: PL $1/2 - clean up outs, or....?
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[ QUOTE ] I'd pot the flop [/ QUOTE ] I wouldn't. Your hand plays so much better with multiple opponents than heads up. Especially when you consider a nut flush draw will not fold the flop no matter how much you bet, so you only risk getting it in as a dog there. [/ QUOTE ] If OP switches positions w/ UTG (is the PFR), and gets his c-bet potted by Villain in MP, how do you respond? |
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Re: PL $1/2 - clean up outs, or....?
Flat-calling flop is probably best for the reasons ribbo mentioned. If you're trying to get rid of the nut flush draw the turn is the place to do it. You may have the best hand here, and if you don't you have lots of outs but would prefer it HU, so I would shove the turn to try to fold out SB.
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Re: PL $1/2 - clean up outs, or....?
i raise the flop in position. barring that i push turn.
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Re: PL $1/2 - clean up outs, or....?
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[ QUOTE ] I'd pot the flop [/ QUOTE ] I wouldn't. Your hand plays so much better with multiple opponents than heads up. Especially when you consider a nut flush draw will not fold the flop no matter how much you bet, so you only risk getting it in as a dog there. [/ QUOTE ] good analysis (not sarcasm) |
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Re: PL $1/2 - clean up outs, or....?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'd pot the flop [/ QUOTE ] I wouldn't. Your hand plays so much better with multiple opponents than heads up. Especially when you consider a nut flush draw will not fold the flop no matter how much you bet, so you only risk getting it in as a dog there. [/ QUOTE ] good analysis (not sarcasm) [/ QUOTE ] it's better played for more money than less money, regardless of the number of opponents. |
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Re: PL $1/2 - clean up outs, or....?
I would usually raise flop.
Since you called flop, you should push turn. You have strong hand. These kind of hands are key to success in Omaha, you have give heat when you have goods. |
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Re: PL $1/2 - clean up outs, or....?
If we pot the flop and get repotted, what is the plan? - both HU and 3way?
(The hand ranges might be way off since I played so passively.) pokenum -o qd 6d 7s 8h - kh ks jh td - 5h 6s ad 2d -- 5c 7d kd Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing 5c Kd 7d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV 7s Qd 6d 8h 115 17.27 545 81.83 6 0.90 0.177 Ks Td Kh Jh 409 61.41 257 38.59 0 0.00 0.614 6s Ad 2d 5h 136 20.42 524 78.68 6 0.90 0.209 pokenum -o qd 6d 7s 8h - 8s qs ad td - ah 6h 8c 9c -- 5c 7d kd Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing 5c Kd 7d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV 7s Qd 6d 8h 139 20.87 416 62.46 111 16.67 0.292 Qs 8s Ad Td 332 49.85 334 50.15 0 0.00 0.498 9c 8c Ah 6h 84 12.61 471 70.72 111 16.67 0.20 pokenum -o qd 6d 7s 8h - 8s as kh kc - ad 4h 4c 2d -- 5c 7d kd Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing 5c Kd 7d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV 7s Qd 6d 8h 88 13.21 578 86.79 0 0.00 0.132 As 8s Kc Kh 402 60.36 264 39.64 0 0.00 0.604 4c Ad 2d 4h 176 26.43 490 73.57 0 0.00 0.264 HU: vs top set - we are 40:60 dog vs NFD - a coin flip vs top set + NFD - 18:82 On the turn, I really felt that UTG had a strong hand - may be top set vs which we are 35:65 dog. Looks like the turn needs to be repotted to try make it HU. I am still not sure of the flop though. Are'nt we crushed by the hands that reraise us? |
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