strange spot against TWP in limped pot

[LegallyBlind]

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $594
UTG+1: $1345
CO: $2199.20
Button: $691.05
SB: $1118.30
Hero: $600

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
4 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($12, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $12</font>, SB calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($36, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($36, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $30</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $100</font>


i don't have much of a history with TWP (&lt;300 hands), so there isn't any kind of crazy metagame going on here. and i just sat down, so this is my first hand at the table

[amoeba]

I can't imagine doing anything aside from call.

we don't have that bad of a 2 pair and I think its a weird way for him to play a straight draw on the flop.

At the same time, you won't get that much value from 3betting because you could have bet the flop and checked the turn with anything but you won't come over the top on the river with less than your current holding.

[jay b.]

call &gt; disc &gt; fold &gt; raise

[TheWorstPlayer]

no one thinks this is a fold? and what about checking the flop? does everyone bet the flop?

[Hoopster81]

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no one thinks this is a fold? and what about checking the flop? does everyone bet the flop?

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I always bet that flop

but not for pot, $8 or so

[philipsaurus]

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no one thinks this is a fold? and what about checking the flop? does everyone bet the flop?

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no
depends
depends

[wpr101]

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no one thinks this is a fold? and what about checking the flop? does everyone bet the flop?

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I don't see why we would ever fold here? Can you explain more?

[TheWorstPlayer]

I dont know. I actually asked LB to post this hand because he tanked and called and when I saw what he called with, I was amazed since I thought that it was an insta-call with that hand. But then I thought about it some more and thought about what can he put me on?

I don't raise preflop, so I probably don't have a pocket pair, although I could have 77-. Or maybe a big pair looked for a LRR. But as he said we dont have that much history, so from his perspective I would just assume that I probably dont have a pocket pair and if I do it is likely to be 55- or maybe 77-.

Then I c/c the flop and it's a pretty dry flop. Basically only draws are 23 and 67. More likely, IMO, to be a one pair hand. But then the turn card, I would usually expect me to bet my one pair hands. He could have picked up a draw on the turn, or I might have hit two pair on the turn, so I would expect me to bet. But I don't. So does that mean I have a hand with a 6 in it that wants to draw (or possibly c/r)? Or did I slowplay a set or two pair on the flop and now I'm trying to c/r the turn?

Then on the river, he didn't bet the turn, so I shouldn't expect him to bet, so if I have a hand like two pair, I would bet almost every time and hope he looks me up with one pair. So I probably don't have two pair. So really it looks like I am either completely bluffing (but then what did I have on the flop) or I have the nuts and hope he either bluffs the river or has a lower straight or two pair. I don't know, just a weird line I decided to take and I wasn't sure really what I would have done against it had I been in his position.

How about if I had bet the river, would you guys raise?

[jay b.]

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How about if I had bet the river, would you guys raise?

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For sure, probably a big raise since it'd be hard to represent a range w/ our turn check - getting more suspicious 1 pair calls, ontop of the 2pair calls we beat that whiffed a turn c/r.

Your river c/r at first feels like it wants a 1 pair call, so I'd have to call it since we beat a whole [censored] load of wierd 1 pair, bad 2 pair hands.

[Fat Nicky]

villain's line is doesn't add up to me, I'd call here...this could easily be a total bluff because from his point of view, you could be just taking a shot at the pot on the river. then again, I have never played w/TWP so I don't know if he's capable of bluff raising the river...