Wynn 4/8 How bad is this fold?

[Cactus Jack]

Last orbit in my session. I don't really like playing at the Wynn. Table is chaos. Villain is loose and a pretty bad player. And I'm stuck for the session.

In the CO, I pick up KK, raise two limpers, who call.

Flop is 876 with two spades.

Check to me. I bet, get c/r by first limper. Second limper folds and I pitch my KK into the muck face up. Villain mucks, not showing.

My thinking--which might have been influenced by (very) minor tilt is he had a made hand and I was drawing dead. Even if I were still ahead, I had to dodge many outs for 2 more big bets.

Where I think I went wrong is since he didn't show, he outplayed me, maybe. He might have had an overpair to the board and was hoping I missed with AK or such...if he is capable of thinking at all, which we can't suspect. If he had hit the flop and made the straight on the flop, he would most likely have smooth called the flop and c/r the turn--which I would have done in his place. He might have just gotten overeager with his straight, which could be the case.

Comments? Is the fold really, really weak/tight in this game?

TIA,
CJ

[goofball]

Didn't we already have this hand somewhere before? I could have sworns someone already posted about folding KK on a flop like this? Anyway it's a retarded fold.

When you get raised on the flop holding KK in a limit game and there's not ace on the flop your response should be "let's stick more money in the middle"

[Cardiac]

I think calling is ok, I would not have folded. I may of reraise to get a better idea where I stand. If he caps it I call and check the turn. Then that would be my hard choice. I may just call him down. I have seen so many players over play top pair and the nut flush draw. If he has two pair you have a few more outs if you can pair the right card. I put him on a hand like JJ-99. A bigger PP he would of reraise preflop.

[BigBadBabar]

this is awful, sorry

[TheHip41]

if you think you are drawing dead, just call down.

What I would do, is call the flop c/r, and raise a non 5,6,9, or T turn card. Those I just call down.

Folding anywhere on this hand is bad.

[revlwb]

Depending on the player, I would probably call the flop and attempted a raise on the turn. You must at least see a turn card. Then flipping your cards over is a HUGE mistake as it shows all your opponents that you can be run over. You probably should leave the table at this point.

[elindauer]

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Depending on the player, I would probably call the flop and attempted a raise on the turn. You must at least see a turn card. Then flipping your cards over is a HUGE mistake as it shows all your opponents that you can be run over. You probably should leave the table at this point.

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It's fine to let your opponents know you can be run over, as long as it isn't true. If OP changes his play after showing this laydown, this table could become quite profitable.

good luck.
Eric

[Cactus Jack]

Thanks for the advice. I agree with much of it absolutely. Some might be situational. I should have reraised, and would have in hindsight. However, I'm fairly certain I was behind.

Guys at this level do not check/raise as much as they do in NL. Usually when they c/r, they've got something pretty big. If he was c/r bluffing, then it was an accidental move.

And it was the last hand I was playing, so no big deal. However, I'd be quite happy for anything to think they can run over me. They're in for a big surprise, at some point.

Again, just confirming I'm a moron. Thanks for the help.

CJ

[nolanfan34]

Bad fold, as others have mentioned. Loose, bad players can have way too many hands here for you to fold this. And the face up fold, as others have mentioned, is bad. Since you're planning on leaving soon it isn't as big of a deal, but even bad players will play back at you if they see you can fold like that.

I'd 3-bet the flop and probably call down if it's capped. Depends on how aggressive the table has been.

[threads13]

Yes, its really bad.

Also, why did you decide to show your hand? To prove how good you are?