NL100 - QTo LP

[Haupt_234]

New to NL, no read on villain.

Is this a fold PF in NL? The table wasn't playing too loose so I figured I had a pretty good shot of picking up the blinds/ getting it HU IP.

Comments on all streets appreciated. Thanks guys.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $154.90
UTG+1: $113.75
Hero: $96
Button: $214.15
SB: $83.40
BB: $93.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($8.5, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, BB calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($20.5, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $12</font>, BB calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($44.5, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in $74</font>

Haupt_234

[delta k]

more on turn, like 15 maybe. rest is fine.

[epdaws]

It's fine all the way through, but I'm not sure an A calls a push. I'd need a good read that Villain is loose enough to call; a halfway decent player knows he's calling to chop here.

Zeebo theorem applies often enough, but I'll go against the grain and say that I prefer 3/4 PSB as opposed to the push.

[4_2_it]

Looks fine. River is tough. Zeebo theorem demands a push, but I'm in agreement with ep that a smaller bet make make more sense with the ace on the board.

[Haupt_234]

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Zeebo theorem demands a push

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I searched for the definition of this but only found examples and a general idea.

Do you have a linky handy by chance?

Haupt_234

[not_da_nizzles]

I think Zeebo theorem basically states that no one folds a boat. Therefore, if you think your opponent has a boat and you beat it then push.

The raise PF is goot. I'd bet just $40 on the river. Hopefully it worked out for ya though.

M.

[epdaws]

OP,

There is not likley to be a single one of the regs in this forum who would call your shove with an A. That's why I think the shove is read-dependent and a value-packed 3/4 pot is best.

The Zeebo Theorem is a good one, but obviously hyperbolizes and doesn't work here.

[4_2_it]

Haupt,

I suck at search, but Zeebo did a post a while back commenting on how nobody ever folds a boat, regardless of the board, action, etc.

His theory is that if you beat most of villain's potential boats, then you should just push, because you will get called a redonkulously high % of the time.

epdaws and I hesitate here because a lone A gives everyone the not so well disguised 3rd nuts.

[Haupt_234]

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His theory is that if you beat most of villain's potential boats, then you should just push, because you will get called a redonkulously high % of the time.

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Ahhhh, ok. Thanks 42.

If I had a weak ace in this hand instead of QTo and I hit a boat on the river instead of quads, would you recommend pushing AI if checked to? The reason I am asking this is that it seems that a bunch of posters would fold the queens full in this spot, so we could prevent a chop by pushing...?

Is the reward worth the risk of running into a slowplayed AA or Qx?

Haupt_234

[4_2_it]

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His theory is that if you beat most of villain's potential boats, then you should just push, because you will get called a redonkulously high % of the time.

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Ahhhh, ok. Thanks 42.

If I had a weak ace in this hand instead of QTo and I hit a boat on the river instead of quads, would you recommend pushing AI if checked to? The reason I am asking this is that it seems that a bunch of posters would fold the queens full in this spot, so we could prevent a chop by pushing...?

Is the reward worth the risk of running into a slowplayed AA or Qx?

Haupt_234

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Your example is different IMO from the typical Zeebo one because of the Ace. If that Ace is any other card then I think you get tremendous value showing with a Q, or an 'overpair'

In this case (at least IMO) that ace on the board is enough to scare off the worse boats. A donkey is never folding an ace there and a smart player isn't calling a shove without a Q.

Make that A a T and make your hand JJ and you will see all kinds of crap (lower PPs, AT, etc.) falling over themselves to stack off.