Float against habitual 3better

[Andykay]

Well this hand was from one of my NL400 shots the other day. The villain (InverseParanoid) is a TAG leaning heavily towards the side of aggressive. he's 24/16/4 and has been 3 betting my CO and BTN opens fairly liberally. I'd seen him show down KQs 55 and a mid suited connector when he'd 3bet, so his range is extremely wide. I know A2s is a pretty poor hand to call with here, but I was getting frustrated and felt like the Ace was way ahead of his range.

Ignoring that PF was probably a mistake, hows the play on the flop and turn? Obviously the plan was to float and take it away later if the board texture was favourable. Good or bad idea? The turn was about as good as I could ask for, giving me a gutshot and a FD. I'm basically representing a hand like KQ a set or air with the turn bet I think.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $400.00
BB: $394.50
UTG: $406.00
MP: $960.10
CO: $306.00
Hero (BTN): $491.40

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $54.00</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $40.00

Flop: ($112) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $76.00</font>, Hero calls $76.00

Turn: ($264) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $361.40</font>,

[winningfish]

Fold PF.

As played, I'd take the free card on the turn and if river was a club it'd make your outsized reraise/shove look awfully like a bluff which is just great.

[Nick Royale]

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Fold PF.

As played, I'd take the free card on the turn and if river was a club it'd make your outsized reraise/shove look awfully like a bluff which is just great.

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It's basically a psb, calling the flop with the intention of checking the turn is an awfull mistake. And on the turn he'll fold tons of Ax/PPs to the push.

[winningfish]

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It's basically a psb, calling the flop with the intention of checking the turn is an awfull mistake.

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Since the hand's been misplayed PF and possibly flop, turn play shouldn't be decided on the flawed thinking of previous streets. At this point the EV of a turn push bluff surely can't be better than taking the free card and shoving river when Hero's hand could possibly actually be the nuts(club) or decent(river Ace).

[Nick Royale]

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It's basically a psb, calling the flop with the intention of checking the turn is an awfull mistake.

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Since the hand's been misplayed PF and possibly flop, turn play shouldn't be decided on the flawed thinking of previous streets.

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That's why I also mentioned that he'll he be folding a huge part of his range, but you didn't care to qoute that part of my post. I don't think we should push the turn b/c of bad decision earlier in the hand, but b/c it's profitable vs his range.


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At this point the EV of a turn push bluff surely can't be better than taking the free card and shoving river when Hero's hand could possibly actually be the nuts(club) or decent(river Ace).

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I agree checking the turn probably is a better option though. Mostly because it's repping a wider range of good hands.


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As played, I'd take the free card on the turn and if river was a club it'd make your outsized reraise/shove look awfully like a bluff which is just great.

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It just seems to me like you didn't plan to bluff the river if you checked the turn.

[LucidDream]

chk'ing the turn if far superior to shoving turn.

[Nick Royale]

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I know A2s is a pretty poor hand to call with here, but I was getting frustrated and felt like the Ace was way ahead of his range.


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Even against a very wide range A2s doens't even have 40% eq.

Other than that I kinda like this. Your image is important but if you have a decent image and villain needs to give you credit for a king or at least QQ/JJ when you call the flop so he's going to check/fold the turn often given that his range seems to include any PP and a lot of Ax.

[Hattifnatt]

fold preflop, I prefer raising to ~180 and folding to a push on the flop more than floating. as played, turn is close leaning towards checking.

[BearHustler]

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I prefer raising to ~180 and folding to a push on the flop more than folding.

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nm misread

[LucidDream]

push or fold pf. chk turn all day and wait till river to bluff or hit ur hand. you rep such a narrow range here by shoving the turn whereas you can rep KJ+, set, QQ even by betting the river if chk'd to.

i wouldn't fold much to ur turn bet honestly.