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10-17-2006, 07:22 AM
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\"72o is the worst Hold\'em hand\" - How?
Repeatedly, I hear people say that 72o is the worst starting hand in Texas Hold'em.
On what basis is this true? More info: The Chubukov hand rankings (and most full listings of all starting hands that I've seen, which, admittedly, focus on HU situations) list 32o as the worst. Obviously, in a HU situation, 72o will beat 32o in the long run. Presumably, however, 32o gains extra equity in multi-way pots that 72o doesn't get (as a result of straights). Where is a listing of hands that puts 72o last? 
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#2
10-17-2006, 07:29 AM
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Re: \"72o is the worst Hold\'em hand\" - How?
How do you mean worst. Do you lose the most money? no - because only fools play it.
Actually the worst hands are the T6s and T9o T8o because people will play them and get in trouble. Even 22 is worse then 73o when it comes to total money lost.
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10-17-2006, 11:21 AM
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Re: \"72o is the worst Hold\'em hand\" - How?
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How do you mean worst. Do you lose the most money? no - because only fools play it. Actually the worst hands are the T6s and T9o T8o because people will play them and get in trouble. Even 22 is worse then 73o when it comes to total money lost. [/ QUOTE ] Uh, what? 22 is a HUGE winner for any good player, as is any pocket pair. Not as big a winner in limit as NL, but certainly not a long run losing hand.
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#5
10-17-2006, 11:56 AM
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Re: \"72o is the worst Hold\'em hand\" - How?
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[ QUOTE ] How do you mean worst. Do you lose the most money? no - because only fools play it. Actually the worst hands are the T6s and T9o T8o because people will play them and get in trouble. Even 22 is worse then 73o when it comes to total money lost. [/ QUOTE ] Uh, what? 22 is a HUGE winner for any good player, as is any pocket pair. Not as big a winner in limit as NL, but certainly not a long run losing hand. [/ QUOTE ] He said total money lost. He didn't say net money lost or net money won. I believe he means total losses without regard to total winnings.
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#6
10-18-2006, 06:20 PM
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Re: \"72o is the worst Hold\'em hand\" - How?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] How do you mean worst. Do you lose the most money? no - because only fools play it. Actually the worst hands are the T6s and T9o T8o because people will play them and get in trouble. Even 22 is worse then 73o when it comes to total money lost. [/ QUOTE ] Uh, what? 22 is a HUGE winner for any good player, as is any pocket pair. Not as big a winner in limit as NL, but certainly not a long run losing hand. [/ QUOTE ] He said total money lost. He didn't say net money lost or net money won. I believe he means total losses without regard to total winnings. [/ QUOTE ] This absolutely can not be what he means. If it were so, then he could just as easily have said that AA loses more money than 7-3 off. If you aren't netting, but talking total losses without regard to winnings, then I'd wager that AA loses more for every single player on the planet than any other hand.
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#7
10-17-2006, 11:43 AM
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Re: \"72o is the worst Hold\'em hand\" - How?
you shouldn't be losing money w/ 22
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#10
10-18-2006, 07:30 PM
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Re: \"72o is the worst Hold\'em hand\" - How?
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its abuot multiway....72o is worst multiway hand, 32o is worst headsup hand [/ QUOTE ] Not necessarily, 72 fairs worse against big pocket pairs than 32.
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