Nolan Dallas confiscated flag (5k chip)

wdead · #1 04-01-2007, 03:41 PM

This is [censored]. I think we should set up a mass email or some sort of email with our signatures etc. I am pissed by this and it does not even affect me.

illeagle · #2 04-01-2007, 03:59 PM

You can start a petition here: http://www.petitiononline.com/create_petition.html

I've already sent an email to the Grand telling them what I think of their business practices.

wdead · #3 04-01-2007, 05:00 PM

i sent them an email but doubt i will do any more than that. i encourage as many people as possible to at least do the same. THIS COULD BE YOU SOME DAY!

goodgrief · #4 04-01-2007, 07:01 PM

It's against federal law for people to be using casino chips for any purpose besides gambling in that casino. Once Mr. Dallas confessed that he had accepted the chip as payment for a debt from a friend, he was in violation of federal law and I don't know what else the casino or the gaming commission can do other than confiscate the chip. I agree that chips that are confiscated for this reason should not go back to the casino but to a federal fund of some kind. Most casinos have it posted somewhere near the cage that it is against federal law to use chips like currency. The U.S. government is very jealous and protective of its right to coin money, I'm afraid. The Stupak case is different, I was under the impression that Stupak had won the chips himself but simply salted them away for too long. I have a firm rule that I will not accept any $5K chip unless it's in a casino where I am playing under my legal name and I am able to go immediately to the cage to cash in. In smaller casinos, I won't even accept $1K chips -- I will hold only $500 or smaller. In a tiny failing place, not even that. I think Malmuth's footnote is correct. It's a big enough PITA to cash your own $5K chips. Don't even try to cash someone else's. The friend basically screwed Mr. Dallas. For whatever reason, he couldn't cash the chip, maybe an ID issue if he was a card counter, so he passed on the problem to a naive friend. With friends like that who needs enemies!

cardcounter0 · #5 04-01-2007, 09:14 PM

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maybe an ID issue if he was a card counter

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Why shouldn't a card counter get paid?

goodgrief · #6 04-01-2007, 10:20 PM

No one said the card counter shouldn't get paid. I said that he should have cashed out his chip himself, at the casino in question, rather than using it to pay a debt -- since he would know, as most card counters do, that the likelihood of Mr. Dallas being able to cash a chip of that size was pretty close to nil because he had no record of play.

It is a reality of card counting that you sometimes have to share chips with team members, however, if you have a brain in your head, you don't walk with a $5K chip and seriously expect anyone else to be able to cash it.

It doesn't even have to be a card counter, it could be anyone who had a nice win and just didn't want to cash out for the amount and show ID. Maybe they thought it would get back to the government and increase their taxes, who knows. It was still a nasty trick to play on a friend, any way you look at it. Dallas doesn't even seem to realize that he was taken advantage of. His "friend" who actually played, to save himself the inconvenience of cashing in the chip, has cost him $5K. I'd cross him off the Christmas card list.

MGM and the Nevada Gaming Commmission here seem to only be acting in accordance with long-standing federal law. Dallas confessed immediately that he had received the chips for payment of a debt and not by gambling in the casino. I don't see where he can go from here, although I hope his attorney can help him.

cardcounter0 · #7 04-01-2007, 10:36 PM

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You don't walk with a $5K chip and seriously expect anyone else to be able to cash it.

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Until this incident, yes, that would be exactly what you would expect. Unless MGM has some evidence that Nolan stole the chip from them, or aquired it through some illegal means, then getting paid for that chip is exactly what should happen. At least until Feb. 2007, that is the way it worked.

In fact, I know of a case where a player who was barred from a property, came back and played, and tried to cash out presenting illegal fake ID. The casino refused to cash, because the player was barred previously and his ID was fake. The Gaming Commission stepped in and forced the casino to honor it's chips.

As the quote goes in Rounders, "Pay the man his money."

Bremen · #8 04-02-2007, 01:13 AM

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The U.S. government is very jealous and protective of its right to coin money, I'm afraid.

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Minting your own money isn't a problem (provided you're not forging US currency). Getting people to actually use Bremen Dollars is a whole other issue.

Peter McDermott · #9 04-02-2007, 01:41 AM

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Minting your own money isn't a problem (provided you're not forging US currency). Getting people to actually use Bremen Dollars is a whole other issue.

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SklanskyBux, on the other hand, are good all over.

maurile · #10 04-02-2007, 01:40 AM

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It's against federal law for people to be using casino chips for any purpose besides gambling in that casino.

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Wow. So when I tipped the cocktail waitress by giving her a chip, I was breaking the law?

And what does she do at the end of her shift, when he has a couple hundred dollars in chips? Is she violating casino policy, and the laws of the United States, by trying to cash them out even though she didn't win them herself? Should the casino confiscate all her tips?