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Wonderfull topic aint it? Im so frustrated right now, I'm ready to quit... Again.. I know I haven't been on the forums that long but I need help bad, constructive critisizm, ragg on me, whatever, I need to find out what I'm doing wrong when I donk off my entire stack the day after I deposit.
Here's the deal. About a year ago I would deposit $100 into my FT account about once a week, and lose it immediately, only to deposit more. So I quit. Then a couple weeks ago I bought 2 books, "Getting Started in Hold'em" and Small Stakes Hold'em. I finished the first book relatively quickly, wrote notes, did almost exactly what it said to do. So I decided to deposit $300 this past weekend. I sat at a 1/2NL 6 ring, with $60. I decided to "shortstack" the table. folding, folding, waiting for my hands and eventually I doubled (about an hour), so I split the winnings into a second table. At that table also I was doing excellent. Up over $400 profit in less than 2 hours from both tables, with my initial deposit still in my account, I was flyin high at that point. I decided I was better than the game so I moved to 2/4NL 6 ring. Not doing as well as the 1/2NL but not losing either. Eventually I had close to $900 PROFIT in my account in one day. I stopped for the night feeling good. Woke up the next morning at hit the computer immediately. Opened 2 2/4NL rings for $80 buy in's each and proceeded to lose from hand one. I was fluctuating up and down all day till the heartbreaker came. 2/4NL 6 player Max Hero on the button Hero A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Hero raises to 4.5 times the big blind Everyone folds to cutoff Villian calls Flop 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Villian bets the pot Hero raises 3x the pot Villain calls Turn 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Hero bets the pot Villain calls River 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] So I got 2 pair, thinking im in dam decent shape I go all in. Pot is now almost $1000 Villain insta-calls Villain shows a boat 6's full I just about lost my head over this one, tilted instantly, how could someone call a preflop 3x raise with 10 friggin 6 offsuit? So I stayed on after that and continued to lose my entire bankroll. I now have 4 cents in my account. Yay for me! So, can you guys PLEASE help me and tell me what the hell im doing wrong, what I need to do, or if anyone wants to coach. Any help is apreciated. Im so pissed right now, I should just kill myself I think. Thanks guys DanielJay |
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Don't shortstack. Don't play when you're tilting. Drop down levels. Don't think on the board above "So I got 2 pair, thinking im in dam decent shape I go all in."
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The hand you posted is just a bad result. Its not clear to me that you did anything wrong (I probably would have checked the turn back though). By the river you both had less than pot sized bet left and you were probably committed for the rest.
Why do you lose? - Terrible bankroll management. - Your probably not that good (you have never been a winner). You almost certainly not good enough to beat $1/2 and $2/4 NLHE - even as a short stacker. - Variance Deposit $100-$200 and play 10NL until you earn 15 buyins for the next level. If you do this your game will develope and you will not be at risk of getting outplayed a lot when you do move up in levels. Lucky |
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Learn bankroll management and understand variance is all I can say.
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Learn bankroll management and understand variance is all I can say. [/ QUOTE ] Although many people have said bankroll management is one of the main problems, I have to disagree. I've written hundreds of posts on bankroll management, but it just doesn't apply here. Your bankroll represents all of the money you are willing to lose at poker. Losing it is supposed to be a disaster, not an inconvenience. Your bankroll is not your balance. If you have to withdraw tomorrow to pay bills, your bankroll may be less than your balance. If you can redeposit later, or have your money split between many sites, your bankroll is more than your balance. The OP he has been able to redeposit dozens of times. That strongly suggests that his balance is not his bankroll. It is not irresponsible to play NL $200 with only $400 on a site. I've done it, and made a deposit during a hand because I thought there was a decent chance that I would want to reload afterwards and I didn't want to miss a hand. I had over a hundred buy-ins elsewhere, just not in the site with that lucky maniac, and it was definitely the right decision to play. Bankroll management is for winning players. The OP needs to learn to win. Until then, he needs to set a budget, and play within that budget. If that means moving down to a level where an expert would have a 99% chance of not having to redeposit, it's just a coincidence. It could be that the right choice would give an expert an 80% chance, or 99.99% chance, but the OP is not an expert and can redeposit. Someone who deposits 50 times and has lost it all should not be assumed to be a winning player who can't redeposit. Bankroll management theory is mostly irrelevant. |
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Pzhon I agree and disagree, is that possible? I agree that is not irresponsible to play nl200 with 400 on the site IF you are in the same mindset you would be walking into Commerce with 400 and play, win or lose, and leave. But if you are trying to make a deposit and build a roll from that, practice good BR management, and move up sitting with half your roll is not a good idea.
I would imagine a lot of us built our roll from meager beginnings and many of us did not practice good management of those funds and we are still ok. But over time we have learned how to do this. Although I agree that your bankroll is not necessarily your "on hand funds" at any given site, I believe OPs is and a beginner without a sound fundamental understanding of the gameshould not be playing 2-4 unless he just has money to burn and it is an expense. Those of us that play as primary or supplemental income have at some point had to use sound bankroll management to keep up with variance. |
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The hand you posted is just a bad result. Its not clear to me that you did anything wrong (I probably would have checked the turn back though). By the river you both had less than pot sized bet left and you were probably committed for the rest. Why do you lose? - Terrible bankroll management. - Your probably not that good (you have never been a winner). You almost certainly not good enough to beat $1/2 and $2/4 NLHE - even as a short stacker. - Variance Deposit $100-$200 and play 10NL until you earn 15 buyins for the next level. If you do this your game will develope and you will not be at risk of getting outplayed a lot when you do move up in levels. Lucky [/ QUOTE ] You hit it right on the head i think. I can honestly say I have never been at winner,(at poker) becuase 90% of the time I give the winnings right back, only to deposit again, repeat, repeat, over and over. Heres a question, what is 10NL? I probably just dont understand the abbrieviation. Is that 10 CENT? Or $10 max buy in? Thanks |
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$0.05/0.10 blinds with a $10 max buy-in on most sites (AP has a $20 max buy-in for this game).
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Now im starting to realize how bad I was playing, took a large donation on my part to get the point. Im playing waaaaaay above my level. Thanks for the help. I will move down to the .05/.10 and stay there till I can beat it.
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With a $100 roll you are not even close to those limits. You really should be playing 5nl with that roll. What you experienced in the hand above is called variance and you really have to be rolled properly to maki it through the inherent ups and downs.
My advice is: 1) Play within your roll (20-30 buy ins at the level you play) 2) Read the forums religiously, it is where I learned most of what I now know. 3) Invest in Pokertracker so you can go back over sessions and see what mistakes you made, and helps you make a more informed decision about when to get your money in. 4) When you feel tilted, like when someone makes a boat in a hand he should have never been in, TAKE A BREAK. The most important thing IMO to not go busto is to practice proper bankroll management. I maintain around 1000 online and I am rolled for nl25, marginally rolled for nl50 but I live at nl25. It is my comfort zone and where I have achieved the best winrate. I am not going to make 1000 in one session but I will not lose my roll either. |
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