Man Made Global Warming Theory = Human Excrement

[Praetorian Card]

I have long thought the Man Made Global Warming theory was crap. Just another fanatical green movement desinged to punish big business and the US by socialists. It does not help the guy leading the charge is a bitter ex President trying to stay busy.

Here is a compelling argument on why this movement is a fraud. Trying to predict the next moves of a 4 Billion year old planet 100 years from now is stupid, especially when we cannot predict the weather a week in advance....Funny how the UN is the organization leading the charge, huh?

Alarmist global warming claims melt under scientific scrutiny

June 30, 2007
BY JAMES M. TAYLOR

Article deleted for copyright reasons.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/othervi...REF30b.article

[Phil153]

All this article does is cast doubts on some of Gore's more specious claims. One would wonder what the opinion or claims of Gore, a non scientist, has to do with the debate?

Why doesn't he article address the IPCC report? It does make scientifically rigorous claims, with error boundaries and all. That's the content here - what other, non scientists say is irrelevant.

[Praetorian Card]

The IPCC is a highly politcal organization. Most of the so called "scientists" are government shills who are part of a international group that hates the US and capitalism as a whole.

Funny how all the third world countries get a pass, eh? Mass polluters like China get a free pass.

Ironically, the "scientists" claim their forward thinking is saving the planet, like they honestly think they can influence a 4 Billion year old planet. LOL, how arrogant. The cruel irony is the world they envision ultimately deprives third world countries like those in Africa, from getting affordable energy, further causing these countries misery.

Meanwhile, the do gooder global warming shill, errr, "scientist" in France takes a hybrid car to an airport where he flys to some Global Warming conference half way around the world pontificating how to save the planet while he turns down the AC.

Exactly what was the worldwide temprature in 1847? Yep, the global warming crowd has no idea. Yet, they draw iron clad conclusions on a 4B year old planet by looking at temp data from the past 30 years.

Suckers born every day.

[Phil153]

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The IPCC is a highly politcal organization. Most of the so called "scientists" are government shills who are part of a international group that hates the US and capitalism as a whole.

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That's a big claim. Any evidence to support it?

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Funny how all the third world countries get a pass, eh? Mass polluters like China get a free pass.

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Politics, unfortunately.

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Ironically, the "scientists" claim their forward thinking is saving the planet, like they honestly think they can influence a 4 Billion year old planet.

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Ask even the most fervent denier what would happen if we increased CO2 concentration three times (still < 1% of atmosphere), and they will tell you that the temperate will rise significantly. CO2 traps heats - this is well known science and beyond dispute. It's a question of degree, not effect.

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Exactly what was the worldwide temprature in 1847? Yep, the global warming crowd has no idea. Yet, they draw iron clad conclusions on a 4B year old planet by looking at temp data from the past 30 years.

Suckers born every day.

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The conclusions aren't "ironclad". In the first report in 1997 they were "tentative", and the evidence since then as well as improved model resolution from greatly increased computing power have led them to say

* "Warming of the climate system is unequivocal.
* "Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.

If you read the actual report:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Fo...essment_Report

you will see that nothing is "iron clad", but based on probability assessment with error bars so wide that conclusions are not controversial. Let me repeat that again. The conclusions are not controversial. Some are actually deliberately understated in order to get total agreement among the scientific community. The anthropogenic warming model includes "level of scientific understanding" in its assessment of error ranges. The conclusions stand.

It's obvious to me that you haven't examined the evidence at all. If you still hold the same opinion after doing so, then we have something to discuss.

[Praetorian Card]

I have done a tremendous amount of reading, on both sides - I do not need an elementary summary from wikipedia, LOL. The earth, by many accounts will enter a cooling phase on 2012 when the sun calms down a bit.

Of course, the AGW crowd will go away and move on to the next big thing when that happens.

One thing for sure. Man can easily adapt to natural global warming. Sustained global cooling, ie Ice Age, is a death sentence.

[Phil153]

Have you read the actual text of the report? I suggest you do. If you have specific disagreements, please state them, because this represents the near consensus of the world scientific community and 113 government representatives, including the US.

If you have done a tremendous amount of reading, why do you say this:
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Exactly what was the worldwide temprature in 1847? Yep, the global warming crowd has no idea. Yet, they draw iron clad conclusions on a 4B year old planet by looking at temp data from the past 30 years.

Suckers born every day.

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Are you a liar, a fool, or intellectually lazy?

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The earth, by many accounts will enter a cooling phase on 2012 when the sun calms down a bit.

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Both solar fluctuations and CO2 forcing are extremely well understood mechanisms. Since you've done so much reading, what is the magnitude of the known forcing of each component? What does this say about your theory?

[morphball]

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I have done a tremendous amount of reading, on both sides - I do not need an elementary summary from wikipedia, LOL. The earth, by many accounts will enter a cooling phase on 2012 when the sun calms down a bit.

Of course, the AGW crowd will go away and move on to the next big thing when that happens.

One thing for sure. Man can easily adapt to natural global warming. Sustained global cooling, ie Ice Age, is a death sentence.

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LOL, you either read conspiracy websites, believe in intelligent design, or both.

Which one is it?

[JOHNY CA$H]

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The IPCC is a highly politcal organization. Most of the so called "scientists" are government shills who are part of a international group that hates the US and capitalism as a whole.

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And you know this... how?

[oe39]

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The IPCC is a highly politcal organization. Most of the so called "scientists" are government shills who are part of a international group that hates the US and capitalism as a whole.

Funny how all the third world countries get a pass, eh? Mass polluters like China get a free pass.

Ironically, the "scientists" claim their forward thinking is saving the planet, like they honestly think they can influence a 4 Billion year old planet. LOL, how arrogant. The cruel irony is the world they envision ultimately deprives third world countries like those in Africa, from getting affordable energy, further causing these countries misery.

Meanwhile, the do gooder global warming shill, errr, "scientist" in France takes a hybrid car to an airport where he flys to some Global Warming conference half way around the world pontificating how to save the planet while he turns down the AC.

Exactly what was the worldwide temprature in 1847? Yep, the global warming crowd has no idea. Yet, they draw iron clad conclusions on a 4B year old planet by looking at temp data from the past 30 years.

Suckers born every day.

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i like the idea that there is some massive financial machine with near-infinite resources hell bent on destroying big business.

my favorite thing about the global warming crisis is that, in 10 years, we'll likely know for sure one way or the other; the political debate will have no effect on the veracity of the claims.

[Copernicus]

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my favorite thing about the global warming crisis is that, in 10 years, we'll likely know for sure one way or the other; the political debate will have no effect on the veracity of the claims.

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No, in 10 years the results will be measured, and decisions made on short term results that are still meaningless to geological time frames. Winners of the political game will be decided based on a coin flip, with all of the game prep done by both sides rendered moot.