NL600, Is this bad?

insanity31 · #1 08-08-2007, 01:09 AM

Only have played with villain tonight. Not many reads, except I know hes not very good, but doesn't seem horrible. Looking at stats, he was 28/11.

I have no idea why i dont have a full stack btw, must not have noticed.

Bodog No-Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($504.00)
BB ($600.00)
UTG ($626.00)
UTG+1 ($646.50)
MP1 ($609.00)
MP2 ($946.50)
MP3 ($512.00)
CO ($1983.25)
Button ($782.00)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises to $18, 1 fold, CO calls $18, 1 fold, Hero calls $15, 1 fold.

Flop: ($60) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $45, CO folds, Hero raises to $150, MP2 calls $105.

Turn: ($360) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $336 (All-In),

Mr_Donktastic · #2 08-08-2007, 01:13 AM

Preflop is a little loose (by others standards probably really loose).

Flop c/r is bad.

Turn shove is ok if you think villain can fold TP better kicker but you don't have a solid read so....

hielo_uno · #3 08-08-2007, 01:16 AM

he called your raise, you are beat most of the time, if you are not sure he will laydown tptk or overpair, fold!

insanity31 · #4 08-08-2007, 01:21 AM

Yes, preflop was loose for me... cutoff was being a little crazy so i wanted to be in a pot with him.

You would lead the flop i guess?, fold to raise?

Mr_Donktastic · #5 08-08-2007, 01:26 AM

I think a better line is to just call flop and then reevaluate on the turn.

If you think CO is full of [censored] then you could c/r all in on the turn. It turns your hand into a bluff but you did that anyway and a c/r all in on turn would at least be more convincing. And if the turn is bad it leaves you the option to just give up.

As played your hands are a little tied.

chicken10der · #6 08-08-2007, 01:26 AM

seems kind of fps-ish to me. i think you're not going to accomplish much with this often enough. mp2 led into 2 players and called a c/r, likely not folding much of anything better than JT for a turn psb AI, especially if he's not very good.

insanity31 · #7 08-08-2007, 01:34 AM

fps = ?

Im kind of a posting noob.

chicken10der · #8 08-08-2007, 01:35 AM

fancy play syndrome. taking intricate lines with marginal hands/bluffs. usually not a great idea.

Albert Moulton · #9 08-08-2007, 03:03 AM

Fold preflop.

If you absolutely have to play and think JTo is ahead of villain's preflop raising range, then reraise. But that is silly compared to folding.

Just calling preflop OOP in a raised pot with JTo is spew.

Once you decide to play a multi-way raised pot OOP with JTo, you have TPWK on a wet board that missed AK and AQ and AJ and KQs - all hands that villain might have raised with. So, since you want to see how good your hand is, and you want to avoid getting stacked with TPWK OOP, then donk bet 3/4 pot and see if everybody goes away. Fold to a raise. If called, you are probably beaten if villain decides not to take a free card so c/f to a big bet, or c/c a small one. On a blank river, c/c or c/f depending on the size and whether you think villain is likely bluffing with a missed draw often enough to make a call profitable.

Once you go for the c/r on the flop, pushing the turn is best. But you're basically turning your TPWK into a big bluff. You probably don't have the best hand unless villain has only a flush draw. You might have some fold equity vs overpairs and TPTK. So, given your play to the turn, I think pushing is best. It will be hard for him to call with most of the hands that beat you unless he has a set or a straight already.

CalledDownLight · #10 08-08-2007, 11:23 AM

Just c/c the flop. As played, I think the only way you win the pot is by turning your hand into a bluff.