5-10 PL - Flush hits on river and Villain bets it

binions · #1 08-13-2007, 09:27 AM

Live game. Just sat down. 600 behind. I get AcQd UTG and make it 50 to go (50 is max bring in). Folded to the BB who calls (535 behind). Only played once with BB for about 20 minutes. Nice fella, but don't have much of a line on his play.

105 in the pot. Flop comes A62 two tone clubs. He checks. I bet 75. He calls.

255 in the pot. Turn is an offsuit Ten. He checks. I bet 200. He calls.

River is 7c. He leads out for 210 all in. 865:210 or 4:1 pot odds.

Easy call? Easy fold? Tough decision?

HesseJam · #2 08-13-2007, 09:38 AM

Tough decision, obv.

AlexB182 · #3 08-13-2007, 12:55 PM

I would prefer pot size bet on flop and turn. When he´s still chasing flush he def makes a mistake, you get more money in the pot and get far better odds on the river.
As played its a tough decision, I would fold cause I can't see what you beat there except a stone cold bluff. You think he was able to float around planning to bluff AI on a scare card on river?
Just my opinion of course...

binions · #4 08-13-2007, 01:49 PM

I called. He had A9 offsuit. He was calling with top pair, bad kicker I suppose hoping either he was good or to hit 2 pair or for a scare card to bluff me.

threads13 · #5 08-13-2007, 02:14 PM

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I called. He had A9 offsuit. He was calling with top pair, bad kicker I suppose hoping either he was good or to hit 2 pair or for a scare card to bluff me.

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That's a lot of credit to give a guy who calls with an UTG raise with A9o. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Anyways, you can probably call the river given those odds. You could fold here if you think is aggro to encourage him to bluff in the future...

QTip · #6 08-13-2007, 02:26 PM

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You could fold here if you think is aggro to encourage him to bluff in the future...

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This doesn't set with me. I hear the concept (tho I've never done it as I rarely play live). But dumping off like 2/3 your stack to someone hoping to catch up more in a pot limit game doesn't make much sense to me.

It sucks to be here, but I'm calling every time here against an unknown.

Also, can I hear some thoughts on checking the turn?

ActionStan · #7 08-13-2007, 04:12 PM

As played, I think you have to call on the end and hate it.

I think a pot sized bet works better on the flop. It lets you move in on the turn. You sat down with 60BB and the villain has 50BB or so. Seems that this is the flop you were looking for. You're ahead enough to want to get it all in on the turn when he checks to you.

threads13 · #8 08-13-2007, 04:26 PM

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As played, I think you have to call on the end and hate it.

I think a pot sized bet works better on the flop. It lets you move in on the turn. You sat down with 60BB and the villain has 50BB or so. Seems that this is the flop you were looking for. You're ahead enough to want to get it all in on the turn when he checks to you.

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This certainly works out better if you think they will call the flop bet with a draw.

bionion, why not bet more on the flop to get it in on the turn?

binions · #9 08-13-2007, 05:53 PM

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binions, why not bet more on the flop to get it in on the turn?

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1. If I bet 100 on the flop and 300 on the turn, that's only 450 each. He had over 500 to start the hand. I don't think I could pot pot and get it all in.

2. Some people advocate betting pot on a drawy board, while betting 1/2 to 2/3 pot on a dry board. Some people advocate betting pot all the time. For me, I have a (bad) habit of betting 2/3-3/4 pot no matter what the situation. It probably stems from all the c-betting I have done in tournaments and 6max online games. When you c-bet a lot, you want to bet the least possible to get a fold.

I usually give the other player about 2.5:1 on my bets - enough for them to make a mistake by calling on all but the biggest of draws, but not so much to make them fold their draws.

I probably need to think more about the proper size bet I should be making in every hand.