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40-80 AQ hand
Curious to hear thoughts on all streets, and see how most of you guys would play it.
Soft 40-80 game at Foxwoods this weekend. New to table, but I could already tell it wasn't a tough crowd. A few decent players at best. I'm dealt A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the sb. Three limpers, I complete, bb checks. Flop Q95, two hearts. I check, a MP guy bets, CO raises, I make it 120, two folds, they both call. Turn 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I lead. Thoughts? Standard? |
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Re: 40-80 AQ hand
I think you should definitely raise pf.
otherwise I play it the same. but your hand is overepped now so you need to be prepared to fold to any further aggression, and either of these guys could have the hearts. but if they both call I'd just keep betting. which day was this? I was playing on sunday. |
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Re: 40-80 AQ hand
Raise preflop and I think I would just bet the flop, but a c/raise or check/3bet is also fine.
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Re: 40-80 AQ hand
This is why I posted the hand; was curious to see if anyone would say raise pre. I think raising preflop is a HORRIBLE play here. You bloat the pot OOP with a poor multi-way hand that's guaranteed to be against four opponents. Even on a flop like this, if you raise pre and bet out, someone with K9s is getting odds to call, whereas they're not otherwise. Additionally, if the flop missed me, it was an easy c/f.
AQs is a better raise here, since it plays well multi-way. I'd mix it up with that hand, but raise AQo in that spot maybe 1% of the time at most. You make it so much easier for your opponents to play well if you raise here. I was definitely planning to fold to a turn raise. The players in that hand didn't strike me as creative enough to raise turn with a hand I'm beating. And this was Sunday; I started the game and played until it broke 4-5 hours later, I think, around 7. I was the guy with the Lord of the Rings card protector if you were there then. |
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Re: 40-80 AQ hand
[ QUOTE ]
This is why I posted the hand; was curious to see if anyone would say raise pre. I think raising preflop is a HORRIBLE play here. You bloat the pot OOP with a poor multi-way hand that's guaranteed to be against four opponents. Even on a flop like this, if you raise pre and bet out, someone with K9s is getting odds to call, whereas they're not otherwise. Additionally, if the flop missed me, it was an easy c/f. AQs is a better raise here, since it plays well multi-way. I'd mix it up with that hand, but raise AQo in that spot maybe 1% of the time at most. I was definitely planning to fold to a turn raise. The players in that hand didn't strike me as creative enough to raise turn with a hand I'm beating. And this was Sunday; I started the game and played until it broke 4-5 hours later, I think, around 7. I was the guy with the Lord of the Rings card protector if you were there then. [/ QUOTE ] lol |
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Re: 40-80 AQ hand
Let's hear, Dave. I assume you think it's an auto-raise, but two big cards aren't always "WOW, MUST BUMP." Let's hear why you think AQo should always be raised there.
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Re: 40-80 AQ hand
i agree with your line and thought process Aragorn.
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Re: 40-80 AQ hand
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Curious to hear thoughts on all streets, and see how most of you guys would play it. Soft 40-80 game at Foxwoods this weekend. New to table, but I could already tell it wasn't a tough crowd. A few decent players at best. I'm dealt A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the sb. Three limpers, I complete, bb checks. Flop Q95, two hearts. I check, a MP guy bets, CO raises, I make it 120, two folds, they both call. Turn 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I lead. Thoughts? Standard? [/ QUOTE ] I like your line. Not raising preflop has magnified the error of callers on the flop. Raising with AQ offsuit is a move to limit the number of players preflop. There is no reason to think you limit the field with a raise here. All it does is give your opponents 11 to 1 to call a bet on the flop, making staying with almost anything correct. Your lead bet on the turn is important in case someone is holding on with just one big heart. You can't give them a free river. It is hard for the second guy to call if he doesn't have a strong hand and doesn't know whether a raise is coming. |
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Re: 40-80 AQ hand
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Curious to hear thoughts on all streets, and see how most of you guys would play it. Soft 40-80 game at Foxwoods this weekend. New to table, but I could already tell it wasn't a tough crowd. A few decent players at best. I'm dealt A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the sb. Three limpers, I complete, bb checks. Flop Q95, two hearts. I check, a MP guy bets, CO raises, I make it 120, two folds, they both call. Turn 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I lead. Thoughts? Standard? [/ QUOTE ] I like your line. Not raising preflop has magnified the error of callers on the flop. Raising with AQ offsuit is a move to limit the number of players preflop. There is no reason to think you limit the field with a raise here. All it does is give your opponents 11 to 1 to call a bet on the flop, making staying with almost anything correct. Your lead bet on the turn is important in case someone is holding on with just one big heart. You can't give them a free river. It is hard for the second guy to call if he doesn't have a strong hand and doesn't know whether a raise is coming. [/ QUOTE ] Welcome to Stick a Fork in Midstakes Day. |
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Re: 40-80 AQ hand
emerson, Since you deleted your reply, here's my reply:
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Raising here increases variance dramatically, and in that kind of game, I DO NOT need that to maximize my equity. That's my feeling on it, anyway. [/ QUOTE ] lol [/ QUOTE ] Dave, I assume you, like everyone, has Holdem Poker for Advance Players. If you have the 21st Centruy addition look at page 161. [/ QUOTE ] S&M were not thinking about any Foxwoods game when they wrote HEPFAP. I'm pretty sure the games they describe don't exist anymore. |
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